Thursday, November 12, 2009

Lyre’s Club Closing

The Lyre’s Club will be closing this weekend. Owner Stephanie Anthony said tomorrow night could be the club’s last night. If there’s still some liquor left over after tomorrow, she might keep the club open until Saturday; Sunday at the latest.

She said “When the recession word got out there, you could see the sales drop.”

Now I wish I’d gone there more often. I do hope she’s wrong in her prediction that “I don't see Port Angeles turning around for two years.”

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33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. It is sad to see that such a business could not survive in Port Angeles. Maybe "culture" is not valued as much here as one might think.

Makes me think about the article in (yesterday's ?) the PDN about the City pursuing the IAI Architect recommendations; one mentioned was "entertainment". The visiting planning professional was quoted saying "There is nothing to do in the evenings" (or something to that effect).

Or, such businesses are not supported sufficiently to survive in Port Angeles.

Nothing to do?? What's wrong with that guy? Doesn't he stay home (so the terrorists don't get him) and watch Fox News like the rest of us?

11:32 AM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I do hope she’s wrong in her prediction that “I don't see Port Angeles turning around for two years.”.."

Tom, what do YOU see as a realistic basis upon which to think the economy in Port Angeles will "turn around" any time soon? Just curious.

11:35 AM, November 12, 2009  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

I don't have any answers to this. I'm hoping it'll be sooner than 2 years, but who knows?

1:17 PM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous The Watcher said...

The Lyre's Club: No advertising. The same, lame bands over and over. Slow service. Lousy food. An awful layout. A location just on the outskirts of the downtown core. A business that wasn't sure if it was a restaurant or bar. And all of this in the midst of a recession.

The Lyre's Club closing comes as no surprise - except perhaps to Stephanie, the owner. (Who, I might add, often displayed a snotty attitude.)

And now this same owner is a psychic, predicting two years before a "turn around" in Port Angeles. Nonsense. Port Angeles could start to turn around in six months - but not if business owners keep making stupid, stupid decisions.

1:18 PM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was the "Lyre's Club" open for even a year? I don't know, but it seems like so much changes between my bi-yearly visits to that area. Is there anything open around downtown in the evening now?

5:50 PM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous I Got Kulchur said...

Where will Max Mania's fave band The Nasty Hobbits play now?

7:28 PM, November 12, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

I haven't been in it since it become the Lyre's Club but I don't do downtown much.

There's been number of turnovers there in the last ten years but other than the street people down there I don't think most folks go to that area at night anymore.

Downtown used to be the hot spot but those days are past. Maybe they should try relocating somewhere else?

Not that the beer church I go to is doing all that great though, in part because of the owner but I'm not going into that.

In a down economy even bars suffer, it's not that people don't drink less, just that they drink more at home.

The visiting planning professional was quoted saying "There is nothing to do in the evenings" (or something to that effect).

Great, just great, another fucking professional with a fucking opinion.

Does said fucking professional understand that we stay home and fuck around on computers every night?

That's our night life in this age, deal with it.

8:21 PM, November 12, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

Tom, what do YOU see as a realistic basis upon which to think the economy in Port Angeles will "turn around" any time soon? Just curious.

Would anyone like to hear my opinion? :-) After all, I have been trying others for at least five years that this was coming.

8:24 PM, November 12, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

Never mind, I'm sure that everyone thinks I'm wrong. Even my friends that have their own businesses and haven't had any work for weeks.

And didn't listen to me and put any money in the kitty for later and spent it on good times.

Well, is everyone having a good time now? I am, I'm just wondering about others.

8:29 PM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nonsense. Port Angeles could start to turn around in six months - but not if business owners keep making stupid, stupid decisions."

Hey Watcher, given the recent conversations in the threads here, or, based on any other information you think is relevant, upon what do you see the Port Angeles economy "turning around in six months" ? Just curious. We're all just venturing opinions here, anyways.

10:34 PM, November 12, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How exactly is the economy around here going to turn around in 6 months?
A.) the passport restrictions have halved the tourists going/coming from Victoria -- might be MORE than half, who knows. It's expensive to get a passport, especially for a family with a few kids. This alone really HURT PA this last summer.
B.) the downtown has a bad reputation of "not offering anything". The local business groups are inefficient, and outright lame. The downtown merchants, while trying to hang on by the skin of their teeth, have raised prices over what anyone in their right mind will pay, and/or it's all junque shops. Some of these so called "antique dealers" are insane! Prices are much to high.
C.) When DSHS took over the Penny's building it took out a key piece of real estate downtown (who thought this was a good idea). A big dead corner is not what was needed.
D.) the rents for businesses are about 75% too high, for the actual "foot traffic" to support. It dooms the businesses. A reasonable rent would be about $.25 cents a foot -- given the lack of traffic, etc. But, most landlords are scumsucking greedy bastards who want $1.00-3.00 a square foot. (Not as insane as that "mall" that sits empty where Papa Murphy's is.... triple net my naked behind!)
E.) Downtown association fees, parking for employees (a permit fee), taxes, permits for sidewalk signs, getting nickled and dimed everywhere you look -- doesn't help a business stay solvent.
F.) our totally F*d'up newspaper that charges way too much for fake "circulation" numbers (padded, bogus, outright lies and illusions). Doesn't matter what ad you try and take out, or what price they quote you -- the bill will come in several hundred dollars higher -- then they'll send you to collections! As a small business, you cannot AFFORD to run ads in the local paper. Who it's serving, I have no idea...but it does hurt the local small businesses, greatly, by their greedy ways.
G.) All the paint in the world will not make up for the items A-F

11:31 PM, November 12, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

What I'm curious about is how the paper mill is doing, and if it will keep operating.

I see no point in six month projections, that's just optimism and optimism has buried many an empire.

What I think is that in two years PA (and the outlying area) will have fewer people in it but will have adjusted and be dealing with it, as well as the rest of the country anyway.

If the city and county doesn't see that happening and keeps trying to grow instead of just buckling down and adjusting that would not be a good thing.

Contrary to popular belief in some circles (those wanting to be richer), economies do not have to keep growing, just supporting each other.

In more modest ways but hey, money isn't everything, at least it's never been my god. It's just an energy that flows around, often in stupid ways.

In all of my working life I've never made more than two grand a month and I've always chugged along just fine.

Dry, warm, food in my gut, and some liquid prozac (beer) to deal with the crap in the world. Anyone that has that should just be thankful instead of complaining that they don't have enough.

I find the script offensive.

4:34 AM, November 13, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BBC sez: " Would anyone like to hear my opinion? :-) After all, I have been trying others for at least five years that this was coming."

Yeah, I'd be interested. What do YOU think is a likely reason to believe the economy will "turn around" in Port Angeles in the next 6 months or ?

9:50 AM, November 13, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

What do YOU think is a likely reason to believe the economy will "turn around" in Port Angeles in the next 6 months or ?

I don't believe that there is ANY likely reason to expect the economy to turn around in six months. What might help it start coming around in two years?

Got me, other than the national economy coming around, but it's interesting to ponder on such things.

I hear the food bank is having a hard time also, unusual compared to past years. Well, everyone is just going to be careful and take it at it comes at us and be okay with being more basic.

As for the lazy bottom feeders that have used the food bank for years, I just can't feel bad about them, they whine about half of what is given them anyway.

There is a great need for a sarcasm font.

3:44 PM, November 13, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

Us curmudgeon's have a lot more fun than you might think, likely a lot more fun than you have, ha ha ha ha

3:47 PM, November 13, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

People like to experience different cultures, and unique things that are new too them, old fashioned things. Even a general craziness, that is why they go to Victoria, Port Townsend, and even parts of the Seattle area.

I won’t argue that we are not crazy cuz we damn sure are. But if they have a list of the ten most boring crazy places in the country we surly must be on it.

Culture? Yeah, we’re cultured and all that shit, in a way that puts you to sleep, ha ha ha ha.

I’ll be going by the Gateway in the morning, I should stop and add some colorful graffiti in the restroom, ha ha ha.

4:05 PM, November 13, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy crap, I find myself agreeing with BBC. Yeah, I think this area is going to continue shrinking for awhile, and the city needs to accept and start adjusting for that. I also think the town will survive, like it always has. It's not going to become a ghost town overnight.

Two years? That doesn't sound unreasonable. The local economy always lags the national. There's so many unemployed right now, and the U.S. is still bleeding jobs (just not as many) rather than creating them. I think it'll take at least a year before unemployment goes down enough to get the economy rolling again. That will slowly trickle through to Port Angeles. Hopefully, because by that time the Vampire Tourism fad will be ended or ending.

One thing I'm wondering about is this trend to gentrify P.A. For awhile I was thinking that would be a good thing, but now I'm not so sure. That flies in the face of what Port Angeles has always been... a logger town full of ornery old-timers. We've spent lots of money prettying it up, but it doesn't seem to have made much difference. And I'm not sure anymore that it should. I don't really fit in this town, but maybe I shouldn't expect to.

8:05 PM, November 13, 2009  
Anonymous WW said...

I wonder why Anonymous poster number 1 has to be so rude.

Maybe the business did not survive because it did not give the public what it wants (as someone suggested here) or its expenses outweighed what they brought in.

Or

Maybe people knew that you were there and thought "Why should we go out and have to endure that crank bag vile creature when we can stay home and listen to the radio".

See how ugly posts look? Please consider that when next you post.

9:14 PM, November 13, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

This recession is in its 23rd month.

The recession of the early 1980s did not have a financial meltdown. Unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent, worse than the October 2009 high of 10.2 percent, but the jobless rate is still expected to climb.

I don't believe those that make things sound cheery on the news that we are coming out of the recession now, I think things will continue to go downhill for another year.

Then things may start improving again, slowly. Maybe, I'm not betting any of my money on it. If I want to bet on something I'll go to a casino.

At least I get free overnight parking for the 5th wheel in the back lot at Seven Cedars.

6:10 AM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brethren and Sisterns, let us now sing "Kumbaya"!

6:44 AM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous He and She Smith said...

Watcher and ABCD have some interesting thoughts on our little town. I mostly agree. I wonder if ABCD guy could tell me where he got the stats on the passport/border crossing. I would like to have a look at the numbers.

Just as a side note, my spouse and I were considering buying a commercial piece of real estate in this town. Our intention was to open a restaurant (our previous profession), but we thought better of it.

Why? Because when we got serious about it we realized there are too many variables that could adversely effect our business. Taxes, healthcare, state regulations here in WA to name a few. And then there is this town. We are not sure what is going to happen with the downtown routing, the town seems to get viscerally angry over new enterprise and to be honest, we have been here for 8 or so years and in that time we have had some of the rudest and unwelcoming things said to us and by people who are prominent in town. "We do not like outsiders", "I wish you people would go home", "Everything was great before you got here". On and on.

Now I know that is not aimed at US (or at least I hope that), but it certainly does not create a sense of community. Maybe that is not what you want? The funny thing is that my family roots extend to here. I have family who came to Forks in the early 1900's (like the 30's) whose children now live between Sequim and Forks.

We moved to Port Angeles because we thought the town was trying to make something of itself. What we find is a strange insularity and a set of officials who either cannot act professionally and in the interest of the town or people like Anonymous person that starts the post "I agree" and the other who wishes the town return to logging and a rundown downtown of the good ol' days.

Is it in our interest to have what looks like half the stores vacant in the old downtown? Is it in our interest to have business owners be downright rude to patrons?

I keep trying to concentrate on the people I know who make living here worth it. I concentrate on going to places that I adore so they will stay open. I pray that with this next council we will get people in that want the best for the town and not just what is best for THEM.

OK - off my soapbox.

Let the insults fly.

9:24 AM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous The Watcher said...

To begin with, I said that the local economy could START to turn around in six months - not that it would completely do so in six months.

I think that He and She Smith makes some good points. Far too many locals are still hostile to "outsiders" - with that designation oftentimes covering anyone who has been here less than two or three generations. This is ridiculous and counterproductive. But, sadly, this counterproductive attitude has often been held by those in charge and making important decisions.

If these people want to stay stuck in a stagnant little pond, that's their sad story, but don't expect everyone else to want to wallow with you.

And I do think the new council shows great promise for breaking with this pattern. The far-right realtors have essentially lost their grip on power, at least for a few years. This is a good thing, and should allow for some new ideas to be tried out. We need to hold Larry Little, Max Mania and Pat Downie's feet to the fire to actually implement progressive ideas and policies. (The failure to even try to do so is the real reason Betsy Wharton lost - she disappointed her base supporters.)

With that in mind, let's consider just one shamefully underutilized local resource that could be brought to the fore. The ESPRIT conference has been coming here for 20 years now. This is a pretty remarkable fact, and certainly shows an unexpected side of our community. We (the city, the Chamber, the arts community, etc.) could totally exploit this fact to attract gay and lesbian tourists - especially those with an interest in the outdoors. These sought after visitors are often called DINKs, which stands for "Dual Income, No Kids." In other words, they have plenty of disposable income.

Now, why hasn't the town taken advantage of this fact? I'd say it's because the old guard would rather be hateful and homophobic than successful.

But, as I said, hopefully this outdated model has broken down for good. We have so many resources (natural and otherwise) that, yes, we could START to reinvent, reintroduce and recapitalize Port Angeles in six months. What we had isn't working anymore - it's time to try something new.

10:54 AM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Far too many locals are still hostile to "outsiders" - with that designation oftentimes covering anyone who has been here less than two or three generations. This is ridiculous and counterproductive. But, sadly, this counterproductive attitude has often been held by those in charge and making important decisions."

Hey Watcher, thanks for the ideas. I applaud your optimism, and do not disagree with much of what you say.

However, as this latest election HAS shown us, the "old guard" still has it's supporters. We who would like to see Port Angeles change can wish that they not be so hateful, homophobic and closed-minded, but what do you see as evidence that those views and support for them is dwindling?

Andrew May, the self appointed promoter of business in Port Angeles, former PABA President, Board member, Chamber of Commerce Board membetr, etc, etc.. was Edna Petersen's campaign manager. The real estate folks hold the most power in this community, and we know where their views are, as espoused by Larry Williams.

Port Angeles is too small to do anything by itself, in terms of "economic turn around". Especially when it is so evenly divided in opposing goals, as these last election results reveal.

Yes, there is reason for hope that the politics in Port Angeles MIGHT be changing, but that is not enough to turn the economy around.

And, I think the DINKs would rather go to Victoria, where there is so much more to do, than walk around vacant buildings in Port Angeles!

Don't get me wrong. I support your goals. I just am looking for real reasons to believe things will change from what has got us to where we are.

11:40 AM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous abcd guy said...

the ferry traffic was down this summer and I'll cite three OBVIOUS indicators:
A.) there was never a wait to cross. You could get on any ferry - with car - without waiting through one or more sailings. This was unlike ANY SUMMER traffic, in memory.
B.) the Customs Agents were complaining about the lack of tourists coming/going. A few conversations with them revealed that by their accounts traffic was down by 50% this summer, and another 20% the previous summer, from all previous years. (go out, talk to people)
C.) businesses that serve the ferry traffic (and rely on it) reported that sales were down dramatically this summer. The state reported sales figures (taxes) show a 40-50% drop in summer 2009 from summer 2008. 2007 was almost 30% higher than 2008. So we're seeing a sharp, obvious decline
(all the figures can be obtained from the state....just do a records request. If the downtown association had some brains and balls, they'd be compiling these numbers and giving their merchants some real outlook instead of blowing smoke up everyone's collective asses.)
The economy would have just shown a steady decline, as most tourist areas had, ....but the added new passport restrictions pushed down the numbers further for a greater impact. Why, you ask?
New, first time, passports costs $75 +25 ($100 bucks) for applicant (adults) and $75 for renewal. The "passport card" costs $20 plus $25 processing fee, or $45, but you can't use that to travel to places other than Canada/Mexico. Children's passports cost $60 plus $25, or $85, and the cards cost $10 plus $25, or $35.
For a family of four, the passport requirement to visit Victoria was raised between $370 and 160 (passport, or the card). A huge price, considering that it's a down economy -- already. The other problem, was the huge upswing in demand for passports (because of the new restrictions) made the delays in obtaining one lengthy -- with the option of "expedited service" an additional $60 bucks per person (meaning $610 to 400 for the family to get passports to visit Victoria for a day or two!) I don't know about the rest of you, but planning on a summer vacation, with kids, happens early June....with the 8-10 week delay in passport processing, and most people traveling (peak travel is early to mid July) -- meant that they couldn't visit Victoria via Port Angeles, because the passports would not have been available, or the costs wouldn't have made the trip worth it -- Victoria is nice, but it's not THAT GREAT.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html
All this is simple logic. The reason you are seeing so many businesses close this year, is because of the dire economic impact from this last summers drop in business. Most downtown businesses RELY on the jump in traffic during the summer to keep them in business in the dismal winter. A town of 17k doesn't really generate enough foot traffic to cover the rent, much less employee costs, taxes, fees, etc.
No matter what the liars at the Downtown Association say, or how they try and spin it...business is at an all-time LOW. Tourism didn't exist this last summer. The "cruise ship" amounted to about a half dozen people buying a cup of coffee. The "events" they put on did nothing -- the "community" doesn't respond.
As much as local morons like to spin the "we don't need outsiders"..the truth is, less tourists, less money in the community, less jobs, less everything.
"Houston, I think we have a problem.."

1:32 PM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous The Watcher said...

Yes, by all means, the realtors are still here, and still connected...But this last election pretty much handed them - and Andrew May - their heads. And showed that any momentum here favors change and growth, rather than a further retreat into "the way we used to do things." For this town, at this time, I think this was a significant election. An arts guy named Max Mania has defeated Edna Petersen for City Council - even though he was outspent three or four to one (at least).

Think about that. Think about Port Angeles also saying NO to Tim Eyman's latest lunacy, and YES to supporting gay rights. Though they were not big margins, they were big signs. The question now is, how do we follow up on this movement from the past/old guard into the future?

I'd urge everyone reading this to do what I've done - contact your new Council members and let them know what you envision for Port Angeles, what your priorities are, and what your concerns are. Then, follow up on it. Hold them accountable with calls, letters to the editor, or public forums.

And yes, business is down, especially downtown, but, as the saying goes, in chaos there is opportunity. If the dead wood has to go, good. Let's all encourage and support the new, good, sustainable ideas/businesses that are to come. Shop locally. Talk with your neighbors. Attend meetings and write letters. Volunteer. This town, this beautiful spot, is too special to leave to the realtors and land-rapists. We can, and will, do better - IF we all participate.

3:59 PM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"An arts guy named Max Mania has defeated Edna Petersen for City Council - even though he was outspent three or four to one (at least)."

In case you missed it, Edna gave a stirring rendiiton of "Don't Cry For Me, Port Angeles" at Studio Bob's Friday night. Not a dry eye in the house.

7:28 PM, November 14, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

So the country is going to hell, so what? It doesn't mean you will be going down with it as long as you planned properly.

You're just a monkey in a country, that doesn't make you the country, take care of #1 first.

7:51 PM, November 14, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw the article in the PDN about the city making efforts to get people in Victoria to come to Port Angeles. Gee, they are supposed to be interested in coming over here to visit Hurricane Ridge, when they have all that Vancouver Island has to offer, including the skiing facilities at Mt. Washington, or Whistler across the Strait.

Two thoughts. First, both Port Angeles and Victoria have been around for over 150 years. Ya think they might have figured out there was something of interest over here, by now? There used to be MORE visitors, not so long ago. Now there are LESS. Sherlock Holmes, where are you now??

The Canadians I have talked to that have visted Port Angeles do not have favorable comments.

The other thought is about the goal of the tourism entity on the Peninsula. Compared to Victoria, Port Angeles is a wasteland desert. Whatever your interests, a quick google search will show you Victoria has choices, Port Angeles has few, if any.

Do you really create an economic success plan on trying to entice people to a place with virtually nothing to offer? Did Las Vegas advertise first, and build the casinos after the tourists came to the empty desert?

Of course the Oly Pen has beautiful areas, but so does Vancouver Island. Victoria residents can make an easy day trip to enjoy their beautiful West Coast Trail, or up island wilderness without the expense and hassle of the 1 1/2 hour ferry ride each way, and border issues.

Once again, the people getting paid to promote these ideas make a living on the backs of taxpayers, and local businesses, no matter whether they ever become reality. Isn't that nice for them.

12:03 PM, November 15, 2009  
Blogger BBC said...

Some Canadians like to come here to party at times, but party spots here are getting few and far in between, and it's more fun to go there to party with them.

They are just a touch more crazy than we are.

6:12 PM, November 15, 2009  
Anonymous PA.nerd said...

No insults, HnS Smith; and I don’t want a return to the rundown downtown of yore. But I have been where you were… optimistic, then wondering what’s going on with this town. Now I’m starting to wonder if I care anymore. Why would I be optimistic about a place where it’s so hard to find a decent job at a decent wage? Why would I care about a place where there’s nothing for me to do and no one to do it with? I want to be optimistic, but years pass and it just doesn’t happen. It’s not hostility, just defeatism. Much better, right?

I think PA will keep shrinking. I don’t think it HAS to, but based on what I’ve seen over the years I think it will. It’s a very isolated community and too many people like it that way. I’ll grant you, things are changing here, but things haven’t yet reached a tipping point. Watcher brings up Esprit and R-71. Those amaze me. Yeah, we’re becoming more open, but is that enough? I don’t think so. You want this town to grow, to become a dynamic, thriving community? So do I. That doesn’t mean it will soon enough for you or I to enjoy it.

Sorry to burst the isolationist bubble, but if the town wants to grow, it’s going to need an influx of capital, ideas and new attitudes. If the town doesn’t want to grown, well it’s on the right track.

If it does want to grow, it needs a diversity of jobs, not just government, tourism/service or blue collar. Who would want to stay in a town where there aren’t livable jobs available? But to do that, it needs to bring money in. It needs to bring new people in. It needs to stop this bleed of talented kids. Let them create wealth, create job opportunities and make the place grow again.

It needs to foster relationships with other countries. This is increasingly a global world and we’re a port. This should be a no-brainer, even if it is cheaper for foreign companies to dock at Seattle. Are we extending relations to China at all? Why not? They’re a huge Pacific exporter. Somewhere I read an article where things are manufactured in China and assembled in the U.S. Spend some of this money promoting ourselves as a tourist town to reach out to foreign businesses. Bill P.A. as a cheap beachhead to bring their product into the United States.

Port Angeles claims to be a tourist town, look around and see what there is making tourists feel welcome. Just a few signs would be nice. Oh, and whenever the city replaces any sign dealing with speed and distance, replace them with figures in both American units and metric. Sorry, but the U.S. is one of three countries that aren’t on the metric system. You want to bring in foreign tourists and capital, you have to be a little accommodating.

And, of course, we need to work on the big one… quality of life. You know, the thing that (partly) lost PA NOAA? That’s back to the cart-horse dilemma. PA isn’t going to improve quality of life without more money, and it isn’t going to bring in more money without quality of life. If someone has a solution I’d love to hear it, but I think it’s going to be baby steps towards that. Start with what you’ve got and expand.

Well, I could ramble on and on about what I think (I actually cut this post in half because I went over the limit, ha ha!), but in the end it doesn’t really matter. If Port Angeles really, truly wants to grow it’s going to have to become a lot smarter about things and a lot less isolationist. It’s going to have to work hard to bring in capital, new ideas, and build up a truly worthwhile economy. I think the best way to do that is to shrink, retrench and work on improving what we’ve got. If it doesn’t want to grow, it’s going to shrink anyway as any who can leave will (or have, actually). Based on what I’ve seen over the years, I think it’s not going to grow, but the Powers That Be are going to be too stubborn to realize this and adapt. The town’s been bleeding for years and recovery won’t be easy. I think it’s too late for any recovery to help most of us already here. And that’s why I’m being defeatist.

12:31 PM, November 16, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey PA.nerd, lots of interesting points and ideas.

Still think that the town has to have *something* to attract the kind of people and capital you're talking about. It is nice to think that there are people responsible for siting Big Money company's facilities, and are in a position to risk the company's assets by locating in a community like Port Angeles that has such a poor demographic and poor business success rate, but I don't see that happening. Especially in the challenging economic times we are now experiencing. Any CFO worth their salary would not even risk losing their credibility by proposing it. Believe it or not, such companies do a LOT of research on the demographics of a community before they invest anything into it. They are not altruistic charities.

With all the turmoil and closures throughout North America, there are MANY communities that have better locations to large consumer/labor populations, with better infrastructure for the transportation of manufactured goods, that are aggressively courting any viable company.

It isn't "defeatism", it is recognizing the reality of the circumstances. Wishing you were something you're not doesn't help you get what you want. In fact, such delusions can get in the way. Thinking that a Ferrari dealership in Port Angeles is a viable business proposal shows how far off in LaLa land the leaderhip of Port Angeles has gone. And that is a current goal!

Why invest in a growing, viberant community when you could invest in a shrinking, divided community with lots of vacant buildings? That's a no-brainer!

4:58 PM, November 16, 2009  
Anonymous naynay said...

I'm quit delayed on the reaction but Oh how it's been on my mind:) I now have time.....(YEAH!!!!) To "the watcher" whom is oblivious to thier surroundings....The Lyre's Club was the only venue that brought different bands in EVERY single weekend. It was the ONLY Cajun food on the Peninsula. I am proud of what I created! I have not a single regret and now am quit happy returning to what I do best....tending bar/managing and waiting tables. I know my field and people quit well and if I came across as snotty I don't apoligize! If I treat people in a demeaning way 95% of the time it's because I will mirror their image:) I've worked in this industry for 13 yrs. I am 31 yrs. old and this business has supplied me with a job from one side of the country to the other. Working from Corperations to even the Morons....Not that it should matter but I've never been fired. I also owned my OWN bar for 2 years. I've also been offered jobs abroad. May I see your resume? How's that for "snotty"

Sincerely,
Stephanie Anthony
P.S. I'll put my name to it because I'm not scared of people think about what I have to say...
Hope you figure out how to not just watch and maybe learn to observe....Cheers

6:17 AM, March 06, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm quite delayed on the reaction but Ohhhhh how it's been on my mind:) I now have time.....(YEAH!!!!) To "the watcher" whom is oblivious to thier surroundings....The Lyre's Club was the only venue (in PA) that brought different bands from different States/Cities in EVERY single weekend. It was the ONLY Cajun food on the Peninsula. I am proud of what I created!
I have not a single regret and now am quite happy returning to what I do best....tending bar/managing and waiting tables. I know my field and people very well.
If I came across as snotty I don't apoligize! I really am a people person and enjoy all of their randomness. If, I treat people in a demeaning way 95% of the time it's because I will mirror their image:) I've worked in this industry for 13 yrs. I am 31 yrs. old and this business has supplied me with a job from one side of the country to the other. Working for top dollar businesses, Corperations, and even for the Mormons....Not that it should matter but I've never been fired. I've owned my OWN bar for 2 years. I've also been offered jobs abroad.
I didn't realize there was a qualified critic in the region (the Peninsula). Nor, that they went by "the watcher". May I see your resume? How's that for "snotty"?

Sincerely,
Stephanie Anthony
P.S. I'll put my name to it because I'm not scared of what people think about what I have to say and/or what I do...I work HARD!
Hope you figure out how to not just watch and maybe learn how to be a self motivated individual and open your own bar since you are so experienced and qualified. You may even evolve to taking notes some day....Cheers

6:41 AM, March 06, 2010  

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