Peninsula Poll Question 6/7/15
Today's Peninsula Poll question may or may not be related to a certain unbalanced former Port Angeles resident with nothing to do and all day to do it:
Have you ever been on the receiving end of a caustic social media blitz?
Number of votes cast: 375
Have you ever been on the receiving end of a caustic social media blitz?
Number of votes cast: 375
posted by Tom Harper at 10:50 AM
36 Comments:
Tom, what the hell are you talking about?
Is something wrong? Your posts are getting stranger and stranger, lately.
I really don't understand what your comment has to do with the poll question. Please do clarify.
The delusional former PA resident knows it all and has to tell the other cranks.
I don't know if Tom wants to comment, but I will. He's referring to the recent Outside Magazine "Best Town" contest. That website was hacked by a person most of us know (and I won't publicly name) -- I was one of the people whose e-mail address he stole and used to make vile and disparaging comments on this website.
Fortunately, my reputation was not too horribly damaged because I am well know as a Port Angeles booster; I love this town and want to help it solve its problems instead of just ranting about it.
There were four victims of this vicious attack that I know of, one of whom has been deceased for about five months.
This was a bad thing to do, to be perfectly gracious about it.
Hope this clears this up for you.
Catherine Harper
He's talking about Max Mania. Rumor is Max trolls the blogs, and that Max took over the name of several residents using their identities to negatively post about Port Angeles during the contest. Rumor is that Max Mania (and I'm assuming his wife) continuously harasses people in the town he left behind.
Since this seems to be an agreed upon fact, I don't understand why so many people are beating around the bush about this. They drop hints but never even come out and say it. "A former resident who shall remain nameless"? Really? If Max Mania is doing shit like this, call him out on it. Sue his ass for defamation of character or some other legal shit. I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but there's got to be something that can be done to end his constant harassment.
Anonymous @ 3:33 p.m.: Who's this "Max Mania" you speak of? :)
The PDN removed all comments at their website that referred specifically to this "Max Mania" (whoever that might be) by name; so I'm following their lead. I can't imagine what legal grounds this "unnamed person" would have for a lawsuit, but the PDN's legal experts might know something I don't know. And I'm guessing that if any legal action was taken against "Person X," it would just play into his Martyr image of himself.
Anonymous at 3:33 -- You're right, of course. I wish everything could be out in the open, but unfortunately, it could be construed as "libel" by a litigious individual, with he certainly is. I can't afford a long legal battle against some complete ass who has a lot more time on his hands than I do. Sad but true.
Why call anyone out? Yes, some guy has slipped up to the point of impersonating identifiable people in a widely viewed setting. Injured parties, if willing (and well-heeled)(and alive), could pursue lawsuits, chase down IP addresses and cached info and all that. But people who can move on, usually do. No one else has standing - innuendo, insults, and general obsessive butthurt are not actionable. As long as some guy stays in the dank little cave of his blog, he is safe enough.
Interesting side note, a candidate for City Council publicly represented this episode as "spoofing." Her remarks seemed to imply it was just too bad, because hey, stuff happens, on the internet. Just playful hijinks, right? She certainly was standing up for him. But that whole post has apparently been removed now and so I will not name her either.
Poor Max! He's such a loser and he knows it. If it wasn't for his wife he'd be living in a cardboard box somewhere.
Wow! Amazing how people get obsessed about stuff.
So, you know that Max Mania and (probably) his wife are doing these things? Is this based on anything real and verified? Just curious.
I can see how this is going to help Port Angeles solve it's many problems.
Can't you?
Revitalize also removed a few comments naming Max Mania, within minutes.
Anon 3:33 says: "He's talking about Max Mania. Rumor is Max trolls the blogs, and that Max took over the name of several residents using their identities to negatively post about Port Angeles during the contest. Rumor is that Max Mania (and I'm assuming his wife) continuously harasses people in the town he left behind.
Since this seems to be an agreed upon fact, I don't understand why so many people are beating around the bush about this."
Are you looking at what you're saying? "Rumor is.." turns into "Since this seems to be an agreed upon fact.."? Are you really serious? Do you really think this is a credible way to approach anything?
And, to cowardly hide behind a statement such as "I wish everything could be out in the open, but unfortunately, it could be construed as "libel" by a litigious individual, with he certainly is. I can't afford a long legal battle against some complete ass who has a lot more time on his hands than I do." Do you know what these people are doing, personally? Have first hand knowledge of what you say?
This is a disgusting display. Is this representative of how the leading people in this town think, and approach problems?? Amazing that you all can state these things so piously.
"Hide witch, hide. The Good Folks come to burn thee.."
This particular stage is not a courtroom. "Innocent until proven guilty" is only the rule in criminal court, where we are not. "Preponderance of evidence" is often the rule in civil court. And absence of evidence is still not evidence of innocence. However, it's not hard to scrounge up a few bucks to get outta town.
Anon 1:04 says: ""Innocent until proven guilty" is only the rule in criminal court, where we are not. "Preponderance of evidence" is often the rule in civil court."
That is usually how lynch mobs justify their actions.
It is revealing, and telling that this community would try to justify lynch mob mentality.
"We don't need the truth. What we believe is truth enough"
Absolutely pathetic.
No, 1:39. "Pathetic" is impersonating good citizens to smear them. Relax, we're just teasin' ya. Bored, y'know?
Unfortunately for many of the posters here, there is no such thing as "innocent until proven guilty." This is a misconception of the jury trial process perpetuated by popular culture. The correct phrase is "not guilty until proven guilty."
One may very well have committed the crime they are accused of. It is the job of the prosecution (the State through their prosecuting attorney) to prove their case 100%. the jury is obliged to return their verdict based on the prosecution's proving their case 100%. Not 99%, not 90.5% - 100%. The defense will try to cast as much doubt onto the prosecution's case as possible, whittling that 100% burden of proof down piece by piece. If the defense does this, the jury is obliged to return a verdict of "not guilty."
I hope this will clear things up.
Well, I sure do enjoy my morning coffee outside as the sun comes up....
Say what you will, but the posts here clearly show a lynch mob mentality. Re-read the statements, if you need to.
No proof of any kind offered. Just "Rumor has it.." turns into " this seems to be an agreed upon fact..". to justify smearing two peoples names publicly.
And, this is the way Port Angeles works. Been here long enough to say it.
Sickening.
Interestingly, while people in Port Angeles spend their time blaming Max Mania for their problems, the real problems continue to be ignored.
CBC radio announces that our friends to the north have instituted Stage 3 water restrictions, requiring a mandatory 20% water cut backs by everyone. And they have reservoirs.
Here in Port Angeles, our river is at all time record lows in a big way, with no water a very real possibility for most of the county by the time school starts, and the daily paper has yet to even raise the issue.
By September, what are the plans, folks? Are we still going to be showing the world how ugly and stupid we can be?
I work for Google and I am glad we stumbled upon this blog
"Are we still going to be showing the world how ugly and stupid we can be?"
Yes. Yes we are. We have been for years and we show no sign of stopping now. But, frankly, the rest of the world has there own problems and doesn't much care what a flyspeck community thinks about a former councilman, or care what complete lack of solutions we aren't doing to solve our many, many problems. Port Angeles is good for an occasional joke, like the guy who bulldozes his way through an argument, and for a place to fuel up while going to the ONP. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Do ANY of you morons know how to trace a post back to an IP? Next, do you all know how incredibly EASY it is to spoof an IP? Meaning, it could have come from China, or from NYC, or from anywhere. And, you can't ever, figure out who did anything. Hell, for that matter, the trolling posts could have pinged all over the earth, or come from no where. So, saying you "KNOW" it was any one person is akin to saying that you KNOW what the weather will be like on December 3, 2020.
You sound like idiots.
As predicted, the situation is getting worse by the day. It isn't even summer yet. Watch your property values plummet, folks.
Port Angeles, WA – June 10, 2015 – The State Department of Ecology has directed the PUD #1of Clallam County (PUD) to implement a Stage 4 Water Shortage Alert for all water customers in the upper Fairview Water District. This alert is effective immediately.
Mike Kitz, PUD’s Water and Wastewater System Superintendent, explains that a Stage 4 Water Shortage Alert requires mandatory restrictions on all outdoor water use. “No outdoor water shall be used except in an emergency situation,” says Kitz. In particular, this means no lawn/garden watering or vehicle washing.
This alert affects 566 customers, all of which are being notified directly by the PUD. The upper Fairview Water District area includes all water services south of the Olympic Motorcycle Club on Deer Park Road and south of John Jacobs Road off of O’Brien Road.
Geeezz. And I just put in all that expensive landscaping.
Wasn't the city giving us cheap water rates so that we wouldn't have "brown yards" that make the town look bad?
It is time to consider Hugulkultur for raised bed gardening. The technique conserves moisture very effectively and turns garden debris into a resource.
I wonder if the City of PA has any legal recourse against the National Park Service if the intakes for the new water treatment plant on the Elwha are not adequate under very low water flow conditions or because the NPS did not consider drought condition impacts in the Environmental Impact Reviews for the dam removals?
By law, I don't think the city can pump water from the Elwha below a certain point, because of fish habitat issues. We'll see.
Also, although they are calling it a drought, it really isn't. At least, not in the context of a temporary occurrence that will return back to "normal". The Elwha has been at extremely low flow levels in late summer 9 years out of the last 14. The climate is changing, and has been changing. As the earth always is.
Computer modeling says what is going on now, is the "new normal".
The Elwha water levels dropped again today, now to 525 cfs. Just 10 days ago, it was at 641, to give you an idea about how fast it is drying up.
The City has met water demands with Elwha flows as low as 225 cfs. They may hit a regulatory speedbump before the river flow diminishes to that rate, however, because the environmental analysis conducted for the water treatment plant's NPDES discharge permit for total suspended sediments and coagulants only considered low river flows in the range of 330 to 357 cfs.
At the rate the Elwha has been dropping, roughly 100 cfs a week, the river will be at 325 cfs by the end of the month. Another week to 225 cfs. By Mid July? Then what?
Those are germaine questions for Tuesday night. Will the EPA allow continued water treatment at river flow rates lower than those assumed for environmental analysis? If the intake systems to the water system can no longer draw water at unprecedented low river flow, what are the supply options being evaluated and what are the associated costs born by whom?
As the Public Works Director is to give an update to the Council members on the situation, it will be interesting to see who says what. So far, other than comments by individuals on blogs, no one in positions of authority is telling the public anything about the issue.
It amazes me that the water supply for 19,000 people can get this precarious, be this close to being the most serious problem the City, it's residents and businesses have ever faced, and there is no discussion. With no water, what are people going to do? Within two days, it is a crisis. But, we just will wait until it happens, before we discuss it? Make plans?
As it is, even if the Public Works Director tells the city council Tuesday night that it is likely the river functionally dries up in a month, what can they do at this late date?
Do we face months of lining up at Civic Field with out water cans, waiting to get our daily ration of water, until the rains return in the Fall?
We will be watching Tuesday evening to what the City has to say.
Yesterday was 525 cfs. By this morning it was at 519. By noon it was down to 513 cfs.
At 20 cfs drop per day, zero happens in 25 days. How close to that will it actually be?
Nippon employees, plan on a shut down until Fall.
As of 2 pm. two hours later, it has dropped down to 506 cfs. Is that getting anybody's attention, yet?
Or, are we still going to be more interested in that magazine contest?
There are a couple dozen California cities without water. Inland they revert to bottled water, no showers or laundry. Coastal town of Cambria struck a deal with an adjacent state park to desalinate and blend with water from new wells. They all hit the wall first.
Yes, I can see no showers, no laundry, and flushing toilets with bottled water.
Or, the city putting hundreds of PortaPotties all over town. Through a hot summer. Yeah.
After Nippon shuts down in a couple weeks, then what about tax revenue to the city? Remember what a problem shutting down one of their machines caused?
The Public Works Director is going to "update the council" on the city's system, and storage capacities. They have 4 months of storage for a city of 19,000 (and declining)?
So glad I left. Don't think I ever posted a SERIOUS thing, on any PA blog without being accused of being Max. Then it got worse!
The thought that Max would do such a thing.....totally ridiculous. The only thing worse than social media and PA is PA in person!!!!!
BBC, glad you like it where you is at. ....only reason I continue to lurk, cause you persist on checking in. 😄
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