Approval Rescinded for Downtown Parking Lot Sale
Last April the Port Angeles Downtown Association unanimously approved a promotional parking lot sale during the Arts in Action weekend, July 23rd - 25th. But after a petition was signed by thirty-three downtown merchants, who said customer parking would be jeopardized during one of Port Angeles' busiest weekends, the Downtown Association voted 8 to 2 to cancel the event.
The sale was supposed to be a chance for downtown businesses to sell “all that merchandise sitting in the back that's building up that you don't know what to do with.” But the 33 business owners who signed the petition said it would be “an inappropriate use of the parking lot” located on Front Street between Family Shoe Store and Odyssey Book Shop. The petitioners also said closing the parking lot would contradict the stated purpose of the Downtown Association, i.e. providing free customer parking for downtown businesses.
The PADA Board President said the issue of lost customer parking never came up when they voted unanimously in April to approve the parking lot sale.
The sale was supposed to be a chance for downtown businesses to sell “all that merchandise sitting in the back that's building up that you don't know what to do with.” But the 33 business owners who signed the petition said it would be “an inappropriate use of the parking lot” located on Front Street between Family Shoe Store and Odyssey Book Shop. The petitioners also said closing the parking lot would contradict the stated purpose of the Downtown Association, i.e. providing free customer parking for downtown businesses.
The PADA Board President said the issue of lost customer parking never came up when they voted unanimously in April to approve the parking lot sale.
posted by Tom Harper at 1:30 AM
55 Comments:
Back to the Big Parking issues, in downtown Port Angeles. Like THAT is the problem.
Was reminded of the poor service yesterday, as I tried to buy something. The young girl behind the desk could not have been less helpful if she had tried more overtly! I stuck with it, instead of just leaving, and after 5 minutes of her sullenly looking through her computer screen for the stock number, she announced she didn't have the item, and that it would have to be ordered.
Well, I can order it on the internet, too.
And will.
The PADA is a big, fat joke, as is their...
Now, now, chipmunks!
It's so easy to take the negative view about things, but why be a downer? Put a smile on your face and be part of the solution, not part of the problem!
Let's try and see things from the other person's perspective and not just assume the worst. Perhaps that young lady you encountered was having a bad day. It happens! Try walking a mile in the other persons moccasins and you'll see what they're doing the best they can.
Let's not be so judgmental!
The PADA does a lot of good work downtown. Think about it! And let's not make snarky personal comments about someone's weight issues. That's being a downer!
Think positive! Let the sun shine in! Everything is beautiful in it's own way!
Thank you!
Panda C. Rage
Hi Panda, I can hardly "bear" the laughter...lmao
Here is a little ditty for you...
Happy trolls to you, until we meet again.
Happy trolls to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trolls to you, 'till we meet again.
Some trolls are happy ones,
Others are blue.
It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
Here's a happy one for you.
Happy trolls to you, until we meet again.
Happy trolls to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trolls to you, 'till we meet again.
with respects to Roy Rodgers, King of the Cowboys.
Oh, and diagonal parking might be a good thing.
Parking in downtown is a problem, especailly when all the employees, business owners and even some city counsel members park on the downtown streets, oh, two hours are up, better drive around the block and take up another space. Or if they know the Parking Officer is off that day, what the heck I'll just sit there all day long. Funny how it's not right in front of their business.
And now we have Sassy Kat employees doing the same thing.
A new low: the current troll slinging sickly sweet blather about trolls.
Folks, don't feed the troll. We've gone through this crap more than once.
Panda C. Rage, your parody is really funny, but unfortunately, you see it only provides fodder for the troll.
Ignore the poor sod. With any luck, it will get the message.
don't care about the parking lot b.s., however I DO CARE that the city manager is making laws (how can HE make laws on his own) to benefit Red Lion, but target one group of the population? WTF? Cover that, Tom....why is das Führer allowed to make a law to harass kids, and make the fine $500 bucks....WTF?!!! What did they do wrong. And, if the law is to prohibit smoking in parks, then will it apply to adults, as well? And, can an adult be fined for LOITERING in a park...and if so, what are parks FOR? I'm outraged. Why aren't you?
OK, that's my next post.
"What did they do wrong. And, if the law is to prohibit smoking in parks, then will it apply to adults, as well? And, can an adult be fined for LOITERING in a park...and if so, what are parks FOR? I'm outraged. Why aren't you?
1:07 AM, July 04, 2011"
Enjoy your freedoms on this "Independence Day".
Having said that with all due sarcasm intended, I agree with what Anon 1:07 is saying.
"I'm outraged. Why aren't you?"
Probably because Tom's got more maturity and commonsense than you seem to be in possession of?
These kids are creating a threatening environment on the waterfront trail and at the water front park. People don't feel safe when a gang of kids are shouting out random crap and being intimidating. It may be "innocent fun" for the kids at the moment, but it won't take much for someone to get hurt and then where will your feverish outrage be then?
Ah, I see that the Anonymous Negatron is marshalling her dark forces. No matter; Anonymous 11:40, you completely overlooked the last line of my post..."Oh, and diagonal parking might be a good thing." This would no doubt increase the number of spaces available by over 30%...not a bad idea. Also, there were several good suggestions in the comments of the PDN article. Walking and biking to downtown were among them. As we know from a previous thread the air quality here in P.A. ranks in the 99 percentile for the U.S., so walking and biking would be good for the city and the citizens.
Here is another suggestion: There are many parking spots on the perifery of the downtown that are marked as 2 hour spots. Businesses could be issued parking permits that would encourage their employees to use these spots and would allow them to park for the day. Simple windshield stickers would be issued to these employees, allowing Parking Officers to overlook them when checking for violations.
Problems are made to be solved, if you feel motivated to make negative comments take a walk or a bike ride. Smell the fresh air and flowers. You will feel better and maybe then you can make a postive contribution to your community!
Installing angled parking spaces on First Street makes sense. But --- too bad somebody didn't think of that before the city unilaterally decided to put bike lanes on BOTH sides of the new pavement. Having bike lanes only on the south side of the street seems more than sufficient.
Did the city solicit input from any of the businesses downtown before deciding to paint-stripe the street with the bike lanes instead of parallel parking spaces? Or, was this just another bright idea hatched by the eggheads in charge at city hall?
Randall...It's Roy Rogers, no "d" in his name. Just trying to keep us accurate here.
Anonymous 10:26 Thanks for reminding me. I'm a lousy typist. You are the second to tell me, Roy sent the spirit of Bullet to nip my backside for that one.
PADA doesn't do !@#$%&!! downtown...just sucks money (forced tax) from the merchants, and doesn't do anything of value. The culture never changes as long as the "administrator" is there. Doesn't matter who is on the board, nothing is any different because one key person remains. That person is inept, lazy, and more interested in happy talk than real action. Useless. The PADA is useless.
The reason the city said it but lanes on both sides of the street is because the closeness of bikes tends to slow cars down. I'm neither agree or disagreee; I'm only pointing out what one of the meetings they told us.
I just visited the University of WA District in Seattle where many, many, many more bike riders use the streets than in Port Angeles. Two-lane one-way streets near the University have bike lanes on one side of the street only. Maybe Seattle would prefer to have bike lanes on both sides but doesn't have the luxury of wider streets. But my point is that it seems Port Angeles could get by with bike lanes on only one side of First Street. Allow angle parking on the other side.
I'd vote "no" on angled parking right now. The sidewalk jut out at corners and crosswalks. Putting in angled parking would mean construction to remove those. That means more $&*#$^ construction downtown.
Nothing against angled parking, just don't want downtown torn up again. Give the merchants a break!
Bike lanes on only one side makes more sense. It's not that large a town, and the traffic lanes are getting too small with all the logging trucks that cut through downtown.
Actually a complete traffic revision throughout town makes the most sense. Good luck with that though.
If you know anything about park permits you'd know that the City does offer them on a monthly basis and their only $15 a month in certain parking lots. The problem is business owners and empolyees are to Frick'n Cheap to buy one and OMG I have to walk to get to work.
Why are the business owners voices only heard when they submit a petition? Why are they not consulted about things adversely concerning business during the decision process? Loss of parking on an extremely busy Saturday and continuous street construction can result in loss of income and even more store closures. Perhaps PADA should consider asking all store owners their opinion before deciding, not just those attending meetings.
$15 dollar a month, per employee is a pretty STEEP TAX. The problem is you can't just buy one for two employees, if they work different shifts, the permits are not transferable.
But, lets just do the math, two permits amounts to a tax of $360 a month, on TOP of the PADA forced membership (another several HUNDRED a year)along with higher utility rates (SMALL businesses pay the highest rates in the city) is the straw that broke the camels back. When there is no business, high rents (the slumlords who own downtown are greedy bastards), insurance, and all the other overhead a $15 dollar a month TAX per employee for parking is just too much.
And, for minimum wage employees, $15 dollars a month is a big chunk of money..it's TWO, nearly THREE HOURS of minimum wage work (if we deduct taxes). Three hours is a lot for someone struggling to make ends meet, and may not have "full time" employment. It is a sizable chunk of their income.
For those who say "oh $15 dollars isn't a big deal" go F&*K yourselves, because it IS a big deal, when added onto all the other fees, costs, and TAXES. Don't be fooled by Fox News, we are taxed to death in this country.
"$15 dollar a month, per employee... two permits amounts to a tax of $360 a month"
Could you explain the math here? Also, isn't min wage more like $8 something? I don't make $15/hour and I don't have a McJob. Or do you mean with soc sec taxes et cetra. I'm not disputing there's a lot of fees and taxes and the B&O tax is a money-sucking mess. I know it's tough to be a small business owner. It's getting tough to be an employee too. I can't afford anywhere near what I used to. So I stop spending and then employers stop hiring or giving raises and I cut back more and they cut back more... it's a vicious cycle.
Anonymous @ 6:36 PM, July 05, 2011
"on TOP of the PADA forced membership (another several HUNDRED a year)"
For the record here are the numbers:
"As a business within the boundary of the PBIA you will be assessed each quarter for
one quarter of the total assessment by the City of Port Angeles based on the square
footage of your business.
The square footage rates are:
1,000 sq. feet or less $160.00 annually
1,000 to 5,000 sq. feet $266.00 annually
Over 5,000 sq. feet $400.00 annually"
http://portangelesdowntown.com/files/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Parking%20and%20Business%20Improvement%20Area.pdf
If you don't know all your costs when in business and price your products accordingly, keep bitch'n.
I would think all of these fees are pretty much the same in every city, some higher and some lower. Ya, the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
F**K Yourself, that's pretty sweet of ya. More than likely you spend more money on coffee and donuts in a weeks time.
so why SHOULD a business pay anything to PADA? Why should businesses need to pay per employee for parking? Why not just a flat fee for parking (per business) or, better, maybe the PADA fee can be FOR PARKING?
PADA is a lame organization, and they don't even do what their mission statement says.....as for forecasting or giving businesses any insight into what is going on, how things will impact businesses, they just say everything is GREAT GREAT GREAT. They never said a word about how the passport requirements would impact Port Angeles. They never analyzed how the increased state trooper ticketing impacted the peninsula. They never even talked about how the border patrol, well publicized stops, impacted tourism. Then, they never went to bat for ANY BUSINESS to try and smooth out the communication regarding the city/gateway/repaving/sewer. And, lets raise hands for how many people have even had the administrator of the PADA walk into their establishment. Have they ever tried to negotiate with landlords regarding lack of repairs, or outrageous rents?
The reality is PADA is nothing more than a forced tax, and an annoyance. One email a week full of platitudes does NOT make an association.
And, I understood the poster who just misstated the parking fee...just "mentally insert" year, instead of month. And, the WA minimum wage is $8.50, and 8.50 + 8.50 is 17.00, minus taxes is about $13.00. So, it is two hours of work, for a monthly parking permit.
Duh.
Meanwhile, the downtown is dying, the cost of starting/running a business is too high. The concept by government seems to be to tax the small and mid-size businesses, while enacting laws to protect large, corporate businesses. As long as this trend continues, expect to see the economy sink into a great, long, deep depression.
fyi the person in charge of putting this downtown tent/parking lot sale together, was told to get out and see how the other owners felt. That person did not and just thought it was a good idea because they came up with it. The owners against the sale stood up, and made there voices heard. It should not have came to a petition, and a person quitting because they did not get there way. If the person who quit had done their job to begin with this would have never happened. I dont know where anyone else works on this blog, but how about being told that your main parking area was going to be closed to bring in other buisnesses to compete against you on one of your busiest days of the year. We the downtown buisness owners pay to keep these lots free and clear for out customers, just got my bill today. The city of port angeles or the pada should never have the power to just up and close a street or a parking lot to have any kind of event.
9:49pm...haven't had donuts or coffee in years. Don't eat out. Don't buy much of anything.
Now, the fees are high, but much, much higher than in some urban centers (like NYC and parts of LA, etc) and considerably higher than in most Canadian and European cities and townships. The fees are, in fact, adjusted for inflation more than 900% higher than fees in the 60's and 70's. So, tell me, bub, how is this going to help the economy?
We were only able to get out of the last prolonged depression by a great number of jobs created by small to medium companies. Since these cannot compete in the current climate (because all the tax breaks go to large corporations....go check see how much Walmart pays to the county compared to any small business) we have little chance of ever getting out of this economic depression We've lost the middle class....welcome to third world America
Haven't you all been paying attention? We all are supposed to be doing business on the internet now.
Problem solved.
I am very curious as to what the bylaws of the PADA are. Can someone find a web link or post them?
I found this: http://portangelesdowntown.com/doing_business_downtown.php but I am having trouble finding the actual bylaws. On their website it says : "The PADA is a non-profit organization operated by a board of directors with an Executive Director." Ok... so that means it is not an official branch of the City of Port Angeles, right? According to the website..." In 1985, a Parking Business Improvement Area (PBIA) was established by the City of Port Angeles, at the request of the Downtown business community. The PADA manages the PBIA for the City. All businesses within the boundaries of the PBIA are members of the PADA." Then it says "We are funded by City contract, parking management income, PBIA assessments and memberships" So... if I am reading this right... the city contracted with a non-profit agency to have them manage the parking? Who awarded this contract and why? And who oversees renewal of the contract? And by what law are business owners required to become mandatory dues paying members of a non-profit organization? I also wonder very much if they are following within the guidelines of the national Main Street™ program http://www.preservationnation.org/main-street/about-main-street/ that they claim to be a part of... Could someone more knowlegable about the PADA please answer these questions? Another part of their website states "If you are within the PBIA (CBD) district, your annual assessment paid to the City quarterly automatically makes you a member of the PADA with full member benefits. " Is it possible that the "annual assessment paid to the City quarterly" could by petition of a business owner be given directly to specific projects or and not funneled through the PADA? I'm just curious.
Having a positive attitude does not mean mindlessly nodding and smiling at the status quo... It means actively working to make life better.
Anonymous 8:36, in order to solve problems or do business on the internet you have to have something to offer besides bitter sarcasm.
From what I am reading here there are some serious issues to be addressed regarding the PADA and the bureaucracy here in Port Angeles. Since it is an election year this is a good time to bring these issues into the light and find out where all the candidates stand. This blog has value in that process. Don't let it be usrped by the Negatrons.
Anon 7:19 p.m says: " (because all the tax breaks go to large corporations....go check see how much Walmart pays to the county compared to any small business)..
OK, so I checked. Walmart pays MORE property tax and sales tax to Clallam County than any 10 businesses within the PADA boundaries, put together. The tax breaks you heard about on the news (but only partially listened to) are income taxes to the Federal Government, not anything to do with local government in Clallam County (except for the City Fee breaks Sequim gives to the Big Box Stores, of course).
the bylaws are located at:
www.portangelesdowntown.com/files/PADA%20Bylaws%2009.25.06.rtf
The Policy Procedure Manual is located at:
http://www.portangelesdowntown.com/files/PADA_Policy_Procedure_Manual_revised_031511.pdf
If you have any other questions feel free to visit my store, Anime Kat.
Drew...Being that you're running for office, I'd like to give you waht I believe is some helpful advice. Now, I know you're a member of/involved in the PADA. But, as a candidate, I don't think you'll get much mileage out of trumpeting what a great organization the PADA is. A LOT of people have major, major problems with it. Just my two cents worth.
Really? Walmart pays more taxes...ok, so explain who paid for the city sewer that was extended to the NEW Walmart store (which is in the county). In other words how much money did the city and county kick in of taxpayers' money to finance subsidies to Wal-Mart? What sort of special deal was that? And, how does THAT offset any taxes that might be shown "on the books"?
What about the abandoned hunk of property up on the hill...for sale for $4.9million ($38 bucks a square foot!) No income generating from that. It's too big for anything, and the septic system is a disaster (we won't even talk about the fines that Walmart avoided having sewage streaming across the highway. (Why do you think there was a septic truck out there weekly, or more often, during the winter months?)
I'm going to BET the county will have to ask for a levy from US to tear the thing down. Care to wager on that? No matter, we have a big empty building just languishing. What are the property taxes on THAT? Or was there a deal made to reduce the value, significantly lower than the current "value" as assessed by the real estate agents?
"The county bent over backwards to give Wal-Mart whatever it needed to create a dead store. The county consolidated 8 lots into 2 in order to make this project work for Wal-Mart. The city helped by hooking the new store up to a city sewer line. Because the city and the county both had to help Wal-Mart out, the city and the county have entered into a revenue sharing agreement to split any increase in sales tax revenue once the superstore opens. And the city also agreed that it will not attempt to annex land along the Highway 101 corridor up to the Wal-Mart for another five years. But after that, the city could attempt to annex all this land into its borders, and take the sales tax that comes with it."
source:http://www.sprawl-busters.com/search.php?readstory=3657
Did you know that Walmart uses loopholes to save on taxes in many ways that a normal schlub cannot? They rent their property from themselves and write off the rent.
A Wal-Mart subsidary will pay rent to a real-estate investment trust, which is owned by another Wal-Mart subsidiary. The trust hands the rent to the second subsidiary in the form of a dividend, which cannot be taxed. Additionally, Wal-Mart counts the initial rental payment as a business expense, which is deducted from taxes in the state where the store is located. In one four-year period, Wal-Mart avoided $350 million in taxes using this strategy, which was developed by the accounting firm Ernst & Young LLP.
So, your stupid "oh pay more taxes than ten stores" is a fools view of it. How many other retailers in this town can get such massive considerations? Think that any other retailer could get the city to run a sewer line directly to them? Think they could get a 5 year guarantee that they won't be annexed into the city (and higher tax rates)? Think they could negotiate anything? The answer has two letters: N-O
Didn't PADA give up the parking lot revenues to the city in one of the biggest greedy, bonehead moves of the century? They also let their corporation lapse, for more than a year, which seems to me to be in violation of the agreement with the city (they've since renewed it). But, how could the city collect during the time that the entity wasn't a legally recognized corporation with the state?
PADA is a useless suck of cash, and no one has ever explained why the city collects, and if the city puts this into their GENERAL FUND prior to passing a small amount along back to the PADA.
Seems like a shell to me...a bullshit excuse to take more money in a disguised tax. Show me where this statement isn't true.
And, if you do not pay your city collected PADA tax, the city suspends your garbage, then can interrupt your power, and then can get your operating license pulled. Extortion?
To Drew Schwab:
Thank you so much for your prompt response... That was exactly the information I wanted to see. It will take me a while to read through all that. The bylaws of the PADA are something I will look at a lot more closely, and the concept of the Parking and Business Improvement Area being overseen by a non-profit seems a bit murky as a funding option for public projects, however worthy some of the projects themselves might be. The info at the second link on Policies and Procedures seems to be directly in line with the nationwide Main Street program... but whether those guidelines are properly followed or not is a good question to ask. I did notice that the PADA does have a program started for youth volunteers... that is a good idea... pizza-powered civic projects might do a lot of good for both the kids and the town.
The anonymous WalMart hater at 10:36 a.m. is so wrong on so many of the things she is spouting that it doesn't make sense to try and refute them all, her mind is made up and the truth is blinded by hate anyway. Let it suffice to say that the original posting complained about LOCAL tax breaks, that other local businesses don't get, and again, she cites federal income tax benefits as her main proof. I called the County Treasurer and WalMart is paying full property taxes on the vacant building, paid $450,000 plus permit fees to hook into the sewer (none of the other 80+ businesess have paid more than 8,000 to hook up, so far) and the prohibition to annexation signed by the City and the County was for 15 years, not 5 (and preceeded WalMart even discussing moving across the street by at least 3 years). It is sad how hate will cloud the brain...
Hey 2:06, I cited my sources. (And I'm not a she, care to come and TSA me?) The source was ultimately, PDN, of all places -- what they reported to the peons.
You called the county? Sure you did.
Walmart is a bad corporation, and has done a great deal of harm to many communities, including ours.
But, you must be a shill for them, or one of those "consumers".
Anon said: "(And I'm not a she, care to come and TSA me?)" and: "You called the county? Sure you did."
Well, you can't argue with crazy!
yep, can't argue with crazy. That explains why we have the city manager we have, and the city public works manager, and several others. Crazy is what works, and it works well, damn it.
Anonymous said...
Anon said: "(And I'm not a she, care to come and TSA me?)" and: "You called the county? Sure you did."
Well, you can't argue with crazy!
11:05 AM, July 08, 2011
Hunh? Did I miss something?
Oh, it must be one of those Negatrons. Don't those have something to do with electricity, or that new movie with the machines crashing around.
if there ARE negatrons, and they're new, we won't see them around here for another decade. Clallam County never gets anything new. We didn't get the internet (aside from dialup) for 10 years after everyone else.
As for negativity, we can harness the energy, there is so much. If it weren't for Tom and this blog, many of our heads would have popped right off, by now.
Keep on negatating!
Anonymous said...
if there ARE negatrons, and they're new, we won't see them around here for another decade. Clallam County never gets anything new. We didn't get the internet (aside from dialup) for 10 years after everyone else.
As for negativity, we can harness the energy, there is so much. If it weren't for Tom and this blog, many of our heads would have popped right off, by now.
Keep on negatating!
12:43 AM, July 09, 2011
You mean, like in that movie the Matrix! Imagine all these people in Clallam County hooked up and dangling from wires, being sucked of their negative energy. Cool!
I wonder what my PUD bill would be?
Thinking about all the stupid, negative things that go on around here, my PUD bill would be pretty low.
But, of course they would screw it up, like they screwed up the Graving Dock project.Imagine all the power we could have gotten from THAT mess! A LOT of people were really upset for years over that disaster.
Especially all those dead people that got dug up.
Now, now! Let's be Chipper Chipmunks and look on the bright side of things. Let's not be Pessimistic Possums and be gloomy and glum.
Let's not be Negative Gnats buzzing around. Instead, let's be Ambitious Ants and work together to build a better and brighter Port Angeles!
"Let's not be Negative Gnats buzzing around. Instead, let's be Ambitious Ants and work together to build a better and brighter Port Angeles!"
Good luck with that.
7:55 "Ambitious Ants"...love it!
Simon: "ALVIN...!!!"
Alvin: "What Simon?"
Simon: "They are building a better Port Angeles!"
Alvin: "Yes Simon, they are!"
Theodore: "ALVIN...!!!"
Alvin: "What Theodore?"
Theodore: "Do you think they can do it?"
Alvin: "Yes Theodore, of course they can!"
"Ambitious Ants"
This would, of course, appeal to Randal's hive-mentality mindset.
1:51, try to concentrate...It is the "Busy Bees" which have the hive mindset. "Ambitious Ants" build hills. Both build...is that a foreign comcept to you?
"Both build...is that a foreign comcept to you?"
Who's got time to build anything? There's whinin' to be done here! Trying to make life better just gets in the way of complaining about how much life sucks! Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to sit down in my rocker and bitch about this town until I fall asleep in my own spit!!
Randall C. Page said...
1:51, try to concentrate...It is the "Busy Bees" which have the hive mindset. "Ambitious Ants" build hills. Both build...is that a foreign comcept to you?
5:06 PM, July 10, 2011
Again, a negative response.
What are you? You think you can just insult everyone into seeing the world the way you want them to?
Clearly you don't like the majority of the people who post here, and think you can force your views on everyone.
Go start your own blog, and leave us alone. You are annoying.
Those that want to cheer lead for those that keep creating the problems in Port Angeles will happily join you there.
Good luck with that.
Go away.
"Go start your own blog, and leave us alone. You are annoying.
Those that want to cheer lead for those that keep creating the problems in Port Angeles will happily join you there."
So, this blog is only for those who want to make snarky anonymous complaints about the city, and anyone who has positive energy should not post here?
"Go away."...No!
Randal C. Page is a happy-happy zombie.
"happy-happy zombie"...that is just silly!
RCP: Figure it out, please. Get past yourself, and see what is going on. You are being a problem. Is that what you want?
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