Solar Panels vs. Trees
Sounds like everybody in this neighborhood is complaining about something. Unsightly solar panels, solar panels that reflect sunlight into the neighbors’ homes, neighbors’ trees blocking the sun from reaching solar panels…
And now the owners of the solar panels want the Sequim City Council to pass an ordinance to prevent any trees from blocking solar panels’ access to sunlight.
What say you?
And now the owners of the solar panels want the Sequim City Council to pass an ordinance to prevent any trees from blocking solar panels’ access to sunlight.
What say you?
Labels: Sequim solar panels
posted by Tom Harper at 4:19 PM
35 Comments:
It's not an either/or question. What seems unquestionable is that we, as a society, could use a lot more solar panels. And they can co-exist quite well with trees.
If these neighbors weren't feuding over this, they'd be feuding over something else.
The Martha Stewart types here think that we should all have pretty lawns and high trees and beautiful yards, no matter what the cost to us.
I don't have all the answers but I admire the problem. Solar energy is important though, it really wouldn't be right for a neighbor to allow trees to grow and block energy to your panels after installing them.
I know, put the solar panels fifty in the air so that the Martha Stewart types have something else to bitch about besides the dent in my truck, ha ha ha ha
I need a bumper sticker that says, FRANKLY MY DEAR, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Solar panels are for pussies.
So these tree-huggers want to CUT TREES????? WTF??? LMAO!!!
Really shows how wacked-out leftists really are on this friggin peninsula. Can't satisfy 'em. What a bunch of kooks.
Solar panels are a scam promoted by Socialists to make Al Gore rich.
It appears that there are those here that don't like my solar panel and back up electrical system, but I will have lights when the grid goes down and they don't have lights.
Ha ha ha ha ha, tree huggers will out survive city morons. :-)
Rick said...
Solar panels are for pussies.
7:57 PM, December 06, 2009
No shit?
Where can I get some?
Panels that is...
Lets see, if the grid was to go down for a whole month, how would that effect me? Actually, very little other than I would have to use the things in the freezer asap.
But it lives in an unheated room so things in it would last for a while.
That's a tough one. On the one hand, I'm all for alternative energy. I also don't like neighbors who try to tell people what they can and can't do on their own land. On the other, that's exactly what the MacRobbies are trying to do by asking the council to pass this "no plant" law.
I'm afraid someday any homeowner... anywhere... is going to have to read a large book of dos and don'ts, from what kind of fence they have to what kinds of things they can put or plant in their yard to what color house they can have. Whatever happened to that purple house in Sequim? Is there going to have to be a government palette book for homeowners to choose from?
So, I'm going to side against passing the law. And I think everyone here, MacRobbies and McClures, should have been good neighbors, considered the viewpoint of the people they're living beside and then worked it out for themselves.
If I were the lady next door, I'd plant MORE trees! And say, I THOUGHT you enviros WANTED more trees!! LOL!!!!
Rex sez: " Really shows how wacked-out leftists really are on this friggin peninsula. Can't satisfy 'em. What a bunch of kooks."
But, look how efficient the business sector in Port Angeles is! Jim Haguewood gets $5,000 a month for 3 years to oversee the "Business Incubator". Taxpayer money. To produce exactly what?
But, the "treehuggers" are REALLY worthy of Rex's concerns. ;O)
"PORT ANGELES -- The Clallam County Economic Development Council may take the reins of the financially strapped Clallam Business Incubator in hopes of keeping the organization afloat while its board members seek new funding.
The boards of each organization will decide Wednesday whether the EDC will manage the day-to-day operations of the Incubator, which is at 905 W. Ninth St., in Port Angeles, without compensation for 2010, said Linda Rotmark, EDC executive director.
The EDC began taking over some of those tasks, such as paying bills, last Wednesday, she said.
"We will act as a liaison between the daily activities and the tenants and the board," Rotmark said.
Those tasks were previously handled by Jim Haguewood through his company, the ONE Group.
Haguewood and the Incubator board agreed in late September to dissolve his contract because the organization could no longer afford to pay his $5,000-per-month salary.
The Incubator formed about three years ago and provides discounted rental space and professional support to new businesses, among other services.
Since it opened, the Incubator has helped 16 aspiring entrepreneurs to develop business plans and provided an environment for them to grow, Haguewood said.
Three have graduated from the program -- The Remediators, Capacity Provisioning Inc. and TEFnET -- are all going strong.
Needed for development
Rotmark said the EDC is willing to manage the Incubator without compensation because it is one of the "tools in the tool box" needed for economic development.
It ran into financial trouble last summer when it depleted a $300,000 Northwest Area Foundation grant that it was using to pay the debt for the construction of its space at the Lincoln Center and to fill the gap between its revenue and operating expenses.
The city, which is decreasing its contribution from $85,000 to $45,000 in 2010, is its only other funding source.
The Incubator's $49,000 annual debt payment for construction of its Lincoln Center location is its main financial hurdle, board Chairwoman and City Council member Karen Rogers has said.
She couldn't be reached for comment Saturday."
Interestingly, "Capacity Provisioning Inc." existed before the Business Incubator was formed, and has it's offices in the same building as former Mayor and current councilmember Karen Rogers' and her consulting business, which coincidently is a service to help businesses get work from government agencies! But again, these things don't bother Rex! ;O)
I suppose the best solution is solar panels on sites that are designated for them, instead of them being on individual homes.
Except for of course remote homes. Then if a neighbor was asshole enough to grow large trees to block the sun to my panels I would have myself some firewood, ha ha ha
Sally for example, isn't woman enough to keep me from cutting down trees if she wanted to be a bad neighbor. On the bright side, I'd choose to live at least five miles away from her, ha ha ha
There's plenty of tall trees in the forests, no need to plant more in urban areas, that's just stupid. But I think it's cool when they fall over onto their fancy homes, he he he
but...we're in the Pacific Northwest...and the current generation of solar panels are not as efficient as the ones in...4-5 more years. Right now solar panels will take (by conservative estimates) longer to pay off than they'll last.
I'd consider panels...(in an area that is free of trees) but, honestly, I did the math, and right now..it's a fool and his money are soon parted, not a good investment.
As for telling someone to cut their trees....screw them! I wouldn't cut my trees....and I don't care if my neigbhors can't get a dish for tv, or it makes their yards dark. Trees are more important than whims.
As for telling someone to cut their trees....screw them!
Ah, I love the smells and sounds of burning homes and trees in the morning as I enjoy my coffee thinking, "Those idiots asked for that". Ha ha ha.
Here is a fact of life that's been proven many times. Dead asshole neighbors no longer complain. ;-)
Sure, plant trees next to your house, show me how stupid you are. Cleaning up and rebuilding messes like that kept me employed in this area until I retired.
I find it ironic that I was making money off of stupid people that had more money than brains.
Actually, my dream site is 20 to 40 acres with a clearing in the middle for my home and shop. In the right location there would be little chance of asshole neighbors being able to grow trees high enough to bother me.
In my 66 years on this rock I've only had one neighbor that was an asshole. For some reason that I'm sure had nothing to do with me he started fearing for his life and soon sold out and moved.
Article says: "We wanted to put our money where our belief system is," Pat MacRobbie said. They were also getting older and didn't want all that land to keep up. They wanted to bicycle around Sequim, and drive shorter distances in their hybrid Toyota Prius."
What a couple of sanctimonious TWITS. I got news for ya...your "belief system" is WHACKED when you start telling your neighbors what to do on THEIR land. If I see ya in your toyota "priuth" I'm gonna put my SUV bumper right up against your priuth bumper...let ya see that big 'ol Dodge RAM emblem in your rear-view mirror!!! LOL!!!
Idiots.
Redman.... You just proved that you're as wacky and bossy as the rest of us, ha ha ha
Ride my ass with your SUV and I'll shove it up your ass, you'll have to open the windows and tailgate to take a shit. He he he
bbc,
OH..you are one of THOSE people. The ones who move in, cut down all the trees...and then wonder why the neighbors are complaining about water run off problems.
gotcha....
"your "belief system" is WHACKED when you start telling your neighbors what to do on THEIR land."
Wouldn't that also apply to the neighbors? They're the ones who are complaining because of the solar panels, on private property. Why is it okay for one side to tell the other what they can and can't have on their own land, but not vice versa?
"If I see ya in your toyota "priuth" I'm gonna put my SUV bumper right up against your priuth bumper."
Now YOU'RE telling people what kinds of cars they can and can't have. How is that okay? And what the hell's a "priuth"? Are all liberals supposed to lisp in your world?
Funny how "property rights" are.
Redman sez: "I got news for ya...your "belief system" is WHACKED when you start telling your neighbors what to do on THEIR land."
Anonymous 8:48 sez: "I also don't like neighbors who try to tell people what they can and can't do on their own land."
I'll guess they have not had offensive projects proposed for lands next to, or near THEIR homes. Maybe they don't remember the public hearing a few months ago on that off leash dog park, and all the neighbors who turned out to voice their opposition that?
Assuming they don't remember, I'll pose the following question: What would you say if the property/lot directly next to yours was proposed to be converted to an "adult book store", strip club bar, nuclear fuel reprocessing plant, or some other use you don't like? Would you object? (I know, Billy would just LOVE having the strip club next door! LOL)
Certainly, if you believe a property owner has the right to do what they want with their property, you couldn't object, could you?
"Right now solar panels will take (by conservative estimates) longer to pay off than they'll last.
I'd consider panels...(in an area that is free of trees) but, honestly, I did the math, and right now..it's a fool and his money are soon parted, not a good investment."
This is interesting. I would be interested to know what that math included and compared. As you might have heard, California had a "Million Solar Roofs" government promoted project not so long ago, and I'm sure SOMEONE amongst those millions asked for the numbers. The PDN article says the MacRobbies were selling power back to the grid with their array, besides not paying for their heat and power.
And, how that rational stacks up with the justification on a new car purchase. New cars average around $35K, I'll guess, and then there is fuel, financing the debt, insurance, and maintenance. Is there "payback", at all? Or are all new car purchasers fools? LOL!
Yeth, mothe liberals I know do thpeak with a lisp. That's becauth they are tho cowardly and tho peathful and want everyone to juth get along. They like to tell everyone why they are righteouth because after all they drive a priuth to save the earth.
Don't forget to say "Merry Christmas." It drives the secular-humanist libs crazy! Ha ha ha!
bbc,
OH..you are one of THOSE people. The ones who move in, cut down all the trees...and then wonder why the neighbors are complaining about water run off problems.
gotcha....
You don't know me and you don't got shit. I don't run all over cutting trees down, but I'm not stupid enough to leave them where they can fall on my home.
Every home needs a clearing around it in case of fire also, just ask thousands of fools that didn't do that.
If you want to get in a pissing contest with me I suggest you do it on my blog, I wouldn't expect Harper to put up with much of it here.
Merry CHRISTmas, GOD bless, and Praise the LORD, liberal weenies!!
Redman's so clever.
An admitted 'tailgater'too.
Remember what BBC says:
"Brown or pink,stop and think"
God bless capitalism!Jesus loves the bankers!
"Rex",learn to think for yourself aye?
Parroting the bilge you hear from Beck and Limbaugh just makes you sound stupid.
Sigh.
Tom, did you see this?
http://www.konp.com/local/5316
You crazy conservatives! What madcap hijinks will you get up to next?
There is little difference between a liberal and a conservative in the house of mirrors so some of you should knock it off with the labels cuz you don't know what you're talking about.
Off subject, but I see the paper mill is doing a shut down this month. Well, they make damn good money there so I'll assume that they tucked some away for such a time instead of just enjoying the good life all the time.
I see that HarborWorks' Jeff Lincoln thinks a paper mill is a viable concept for the former Rayonier mill site, to make their plans fly!! Yeah, I see they are building THOSE all over the place, these days.
What are these folks smoking??
Bet the guys over at Nippon and Westport are jumping up and down with joy after reading Lincoln's plans.
$380,000 to come up with " we need a paper plant or boat builder at the Rayonier site" ?
That sure is good use of economic development money, if you're an out of town consultant!
where do I sign up to be an "out-of-town-consultant"?
Anonymous said...
where do I sign up to be an "out-of-town-consultant"?
10:23 AM, December 11, 2009
. In this town, that is where the money is.
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