Survey on Future Harbor and Shoreline Uses
If you have an opinion on future uses of Port Angeles Harbor and the waterfront, you have until Friday to give your input.
Here's the website.
It's a different URL than the one listed in today's PDN; that one didn't work.
UPDATE: They've extended the deadline. You now have until September 10th to fill out this survey.
Here's the website.
It's a different URL than the one listed in today's PDN; that one didn't work.
UPDATE: They've extended the deadline. You now have until September 10th to fill out this survey.
posted by Tom Harper at 4:25 PM
17 Comments:
I gave my opinion. One was "Please move away'" :-)
As Rayonier said in it's recent letter: We're not interested. You guys are a bunch of Bozos.
As Rayonier said in it's recent letter: We're not interested. You guys are a bunch of Bozos.
I'm surrounded by fucking Bozos.
What is the deal with the stench, and all the dust downtown? Ya can hardly breathe cuz of the smell!
Store owner I talked with was saying they had to keep cleaning all their shelves and stuff.
What gives? The stuff is piling up on the edges of the sidewalks and everywhere.
Truckloads of trash taken off stinky property; owner was living under tarp in backyard.
I know her, sort of, it's about time they cleaned her out, she was a hazard to the neighborhood.
I think that if others want to collect shit that's fine even though the yard may look like hell to others, but she had a frigging garbage dump.
With a clean lot, I'm betting that she'll just start collecting again.
I don't know about the stench ---- it is probably the Nippon mill again. But the dust is probably caused by the plywood mill being in operation. There are huge uncovered piles of wood chips (oh - excuse me - "biomass") there now. I've noticed lots of dusty residue on my windows and car again ever since the plywood mill resumed operations. There was much less of this when the mill wasn't operating.
I saw the pictures on the PDN site about the waterfront "promenade".
Funny how they made it look all pretty with flowers and people out enjoying the beautiful area they depicted.
But, if you actually go down to that area, you find a very different reality. The noise of the mill there, and the heavy traffic constantly driving by makes it less than pleasant. And then your eyes look up from the sidewalks to see the smoke stacks and other industrial structures that dominate the area.
These efforts to make Port Angeles more attractive for visitors are a waste of time, as long as the Port of Port Angeles sees the waterfront as being an industrial area.
As has been said, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still just a pig."
"As has been said, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still just a pig.""
Yeah.. Well said. Port Angeles is just a big pig, trying to fool others with lots of lipstick!
Mill Town says:
"I've noticed lots of dusty residue on my windows and car again ever since the plywood mill resumed operations. There was much less of this when the mill wasn't operating."
Yes. This is what I've seen, too. How come they get to be able to do this? I thought businesses had to control what they spread about, that goes beyond their property.
Are they (the plywood mill) going to pay all the other businesses for the dust they are cleaning off their shelves and goods, downtown?
Who do we contact, to get compensation from?
Mill Town:
Jesus H. Christ! Port Angeles has been bleeding primary jobs for 30 years. Downtown has devolved into pawn shops and low rent second hand stores. So the plywood mill opens back up with the potential to infuse some money into the economy and you bitch because you have to dust your shelves? Brilliant!
Hey, you want to cut down on the dust? Water your damn lawns. My sister came to visit last week. We grew up in PA and she hadn't been back in several years. So we drove into town to look at the old neighborhoods, schools, etc. I swear to God there isn't more than 1 in 50 yards that don't look like they belong in eastern Oregon.
If they would move the two mills to the old Rayonier site the prevailing winds wouldn't blow so much crap over the town and they wouldn't be as visible as they are eyesores now.
Not that they bother me where they are, I just don't pay any attention to them.
Then the powers that be would have not just one property to try to lord over but two. That would keep those Bozo's over employed for some time.
Digital Amish -
Maybe Port Angeles lawns are brown because fluoride is bad medicine for turf.
Digital Amish: It appears your point is that neighbors of a polluting industry should just suck it up (literally) because living wage jobs take precedence over any other community values.
I've heard that the Department of Corrections pays employees good wages and state benefits, so maybe your neighborhood would like to solicit DOC to locate minimum security prisons and halfway houses for sex offenders there? These facilities would undoubtedly employ people 24/7, and pay them at least as much as industrial workers.
Digital Amish sez:
"Jesus H. Christ! Port Angeles has been bleeding primary jobs for 30 years. Downtown has devolved into pawn shops and low rent second hand stores. So the plywood mill opens back up with the potential to infuse some money into the economy and you bitch because you have to dust your shelves? Brilliant!"
Wow! You really are this short sighted?! You really see things in this "either/or" context?
You want to talk about economics, as you seem to say that the few jobs the plywood mill has created are more important that any other impacts it has created. Obviously, you don't know much about the way economics are evaluated.
One person posted on this blog about how people they talked to working downtown are experiencing negative health effects from the dust coming from the mill operations. Multiply that by a couple dozen people who work and live downtown. Start to add up the health care costs as these impacts aggravate. Lost work days as people stay home, etc.
The hours owners and employees spend cleaning the dust up, day after day, to keep their shops and wares looking clean and appealing for customers. Who pays for these hours of work, multiplied by however many shops in the area. And, how many times a week?
And the smell? How many people just say, "This town is dirty, and stinks", and go elsewhere?
Add up all the negative impacts this one business is creating, and you still think it is fair to everyone else in the area trying to run their businesses to be footing the bills for the mill to do what it's doing? Why?
All the above is besides the fact that legally, the plywood mill cannot be effecting it's neighbors like it is. It needs to comply with existing laws, like every other law abiding citizen of this nation.
Right?
"So we drove into town to look at the old neighborhoods, schools, etc. I swear to God there isn't more than 1 in 50 yards that don't look like they belong in eastern Oregon."
So nice that you live outside of town, don't have to live with the dust and noise that is going on downtown, and the only advice you can offer is that people water their lawns.
Yep! Lots of lawns downtown.
Some folks don't water their lawns because they think it's not a wise use of water. If you don't like looking at brown lawns for a few months don't look at them.
Those that have beautiful lawns are putting all kinds of stuff on them to make them pretty, it all ends up in the groundwater system.
I'm impressed, not. They are just satisfying their own egos because they don't care what they are destroying.
I saw the couple of stories in the PDN about the dust being generated by the PenPly mill.
Renshaw says no neighbors complained. What a lying sack of crap. I know what happened, and the specific responses Renshaw gave, before this hit the PDN.
My take-away message? Renshaw will tell anyone anything he thinks they want to hear.
The other article is a somewhat confusing account about furloughing most of his employees because he has more inventory than sales.
Hmmm..
And, he convinced public entities to give him how much money?
Why does this town fall for these scam artists, time after time?
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