Performance Review for Port Angeles Downtown Association
Eighty-one downtown business owners have signed a petition asking the City to examine whether the Downtown Association is fulfilling its contract. Kent Myers said the City will conduct the review because of the large number of downtown merchants who signed the petition. He said:
“I think anytime you have between 80 and 100 business signing a petition of that nature, I think it's a serious issue and that we have to get to the bottom of their concerns as soon as possible.”
This story was also covered by KONP.
“I think anytime you have between 80 and 100 business signing a petition of that nature, I think it's a serious issue and that we have to get to the bottom of their concerns as soon as possible.”
This story was also covered by KONP.
posted by Tom Harper at 10:27 AM
77 Comments:
Democracy in action. When I saw the links that Drew Schwab posted after the request by Positive Attitude, I was encoutaged. That is how a blog can be used for change.
There are eighty-one downtown businesses? Really?
I mean, from the way folks talk about how empty downtown is you'd think there was just five or six businesses and seventy-plus boarded up storefronts.
Eighty-one downtown businesses, eh?
I wonder what they think will be done to actually change anything?
Once again the Port Angeles tradition of hiring relatives, friends and flunkies goes down in flames. Does anyone really, really think that, after a (supposedly) national search for an executive director, that Barb Frederick was THE BEST choice? Gosh! And she just happens to be a local! A local who will make no waves, make no decisions, and do her darnedest to not make any enemies. We can see how well that's worked out.
I know people who were involved with the hiring process when Barb got "selected." There were people who applied with real-world skills and experience and education. People who could have done the job well and made a difference. But, that would have meant they were showing independence and true leadership - something the PADA Board is clearly not going to allow.
So the self-defeating behavior of so many of those in power in Port Angeles continues. Why hire someone qualified to help grow our downtown economy when we can hire Barb the Boob instead? Let's create a sure-to-be-controversial (and expensive) PDA in secret and then hope for the best. Let's decide (in secret again) to close the pool, while keeping the funds flowing freely to Glenn Cutler and his cronies. And yes, Edna DID help drive the Farmer's Market out of downtown - even though they sell FOOD and she sells COOKING SUPPLIES. And on and on. This town has so much potential, but it keeps being hobbled by "leaders" who seem to have a death wish.
In closing, please remember it's an election year. We can change some of these suicidal tendencies by electing intelligent, informed people. Help turn the tide - VOTE.
Once again the anony-mice come scurrying out whatever dark holes they live in! Once again the air is filled with the high pitched whinings of the nega-trons!
Those of us with Positive Attitudes and who are higher spiritual beings can see things in a better, more positive light and realize that the anony-mice and nega-trons have no power because of their Limited Minds!
A great Eastern sage, Master Po Kih Mon once said: "Beginning as mist in the high mountains, developing into a flowing river, maturing into the boundless ocean." This has been adapted to the fortune cookie as "You will take an ocean voyage." but those of us who are Higher Spiritual beings, filled with Positive Energy, recognize Master Po Kih Mon's words of wisdom.
Master Po Kih Mon also said: "More is less, less is more, more or less." Think about that and perhaps your limited minds will stretch a bit.
Please consider how your negative mindset hurts downtown. Please consider how one anony-mouse can hurt a blog. Please consider how much a Positive Attitude can help you to become a higher spiritual being - like me!
Please consider the eternal Now-ness of ME!
"We can change some of these suicidal tendencies by electing intelligent, informed people ..."
I agree with you, but who do we have to elect this year?
Drew, who is obviously a stooge of the established PADA order?
Nicole, who has no agenda beyond giving kids something to "do" downtown?
Cody, the obvious old council stooge?
Or the incumbents who are a collection of stooges, ninnies and cronies?
Not much hope for realistic change in this election cycle!
Anonymous 1:11 PM, July 17, 2011
I'll be voting for Sissi Bruch instead of Don Perry. He is a certified member of the Karen Rogers crew and a well-known do-nothing. Sissi has a PhD in planning and seems to have a solid moral compass. THAT is my hope for change in this election cycle.
Now, now! You guys are being negative again. Even if we have no one to vote for in this election, at least we have elections. See, that's democracy in action!
I hope we get some sun tomorrow so I can go back out in the boondocks and finish that painting.
No point in me worrying about the town, it's a lost cause.
When I had my business in Utah a bunch of us business owners got together and fixed up the town some, the damn city wasn't doing much of anything right.
1:17
"Drew, who is obviously a stooge of the established PADA order?"
what is your basis for this judgement please?
Uh ... he's been a rather vocal supporter of the PADA status quo on this blog.
Sure you're not RCP under another name?
Putz C. Puke said:
I was encoutaged. That is how a blog can be used for change.
And, we all should be so bloody happy because 93 million people freed themselves from despots somewhere in the world. Just like in Port Angeles.
Yes, those 93 million threw out the despots in exchange for military dictatorships, or gave their countries over to foriegn interests. Just like in Port Angeles.
Democracy in action.
Democracy in action? Oh, you mean like when we voted for Betsy Wharton?
Po Kih Mon = Pokeymon
roflmao!
Oh golly, Port Angeles Online, Papa and I want to apologise for little Lisa. We just found out about all the trash talk she has been posting here. She has been a handful since she had those bed-wetting issues. She started wearing a paper bag over her head and telling us to call her Anonymous. Now the doctor tells us it has become a case of something called Cyber-Tourettes Syndrome. We will have her medication adjusted right away. If that doesn't work, maybe that boot camp is the answer.
Anyway, thanks for being understanding.
toddles, Lisa's Mom
I know both Sissi and Don a little bit; they are both nice people. But, clearly, Sissi has more education and real-world experience than Don. There's no comparison. I'll be voting for Sissi and urging evceryone I know to do the same. She's a great candidate and would be a real asset to our community.
Vote for change you can believe in, hahahaha
I'm not sure that Don Perry really truly wants to stay on the council. I remember him saying a while back that he intended not to run again. Guess he changed his mind. But, I agree with Anon 6:58, in that of the two candidates for that race, Sissi Bruch will get my vote.
I want to know why RCP isn't running for city council, since he has it all figured out, and has no problem telling everyone how they should be living their lives!
PADA slogan:
Port Angeles: We're not as polluted as some other towns.
Anonymous 9:20...I am doing my part in my own way. My photos of Port Angeles have been seen and appreciated by people from all over the U.S, England, Europe, and even Moscow just to name a few places. I make Port Angeles look good! And you?
I say to put all women on the city council, I'd like to prove that women can't do any better job of running governments than guys can.
I was once asked to run for mayor of a city, pfff. It's difficult trying to make a bunch of monkeys happy, I was more effective picking on the mayor and council.
RCP, stop making PA look good, we don't need more idiots here, the economy isn't here to support them.
7:34, "he's been a rather vocal supporter of the PADA status quo on this blog."
i found the links he posted to the pada info pages. a chrome search for any other posts by Drew about the pada turned up nothing. please direct me to the comments you are referring to.
"Sure you're not RCP under another name?"
given the tone of this blog, I doubt anything short of a server-scan log would convince you of my identity.
Drew, who is obviously a stooge of the established PADA order?
I wonder if it would be too much to ask for you to back this up. Please provide some quotes to justify your use of the term “stooge”. Pretty harsh words for somebody you don’t know and has only posted here a few times. I assume you are (one of) the one(s?) who seems to have such a hard on for RCP as well. Aside from insulting people and tormenting dweebs, have you got anything else? Anything constructive? A solution or a suggestion maybe? Just askin’.
BBC, consider for a moment someone who is going to come to the Olympic Penninsula on vacation. They see P.A. is the gateway to the Park. They google P.A. and they find a link to Port Angeles Online. They then click on this blog and start to read what is posted. When they see your gun posts and the other childish things here do you think they will book a hotel here, eat here, or shop here? This nasty blog nonsense is costing your friends and neighbors income in many ways.
However, I do look on the upside as you know. If someone is going to do a remake of "Deliverance", you certainly have a shot.
"Aside from insulting people and tormenting dweebs, have you got anything else? Anything constructive? A solution or a suggestion maybe? Just askin’."
Review all of your own posts, WTF, and ask yourself the same question!
Review all of your own posts, WTF, and ask yourself the same question!
Yeah nice way to avoid the question, but where are those quotes to back up your assertions?Anybody who has been here knows that I back up what I'm saying, and while I use insult and invective, I also offer suggestions and ideas...now can you post these requested quotes regarding Mr. Schwab's stoogelike behavior?
For a positive, spiritual being such as myself today was a wonderful day here in Port Angeles. Yes, the posi-trons were chasing away and doomsters, the gloomsters and the nega-trons had nothing left to do but shed their bitter tears in their cups filled with dioxin!
Yes, let the sun shine in, Port Angeles. The sun not only enlightens us, it purifies and clarifies. You just can't help but be happy and positive when the sun is shining in beautiful Port Angeles!
Now when I said that 93 million people had just freed themselves from despotism, I meant Home Despotism, as in the ugly, negative big box hardware store. That place, yes. 93 million people have turned their backs on all that and returned to positive mom 'n pop hardware stores. Assuming, that is, that those mom 'n pop place still exist. But let's not quibble folks, let's smile and be happy in this good news.
Now, as an eternal optimist I can find much good in the news that Borders Books will be liquidating their remaining chain of stores. Sure I can, can't you? There was never a Borders Books here in Port Angeles so a store was never closed and no one (here) lost their jobs. Isn't that great? That's what I call a win-win situation!
I must go now. I have more upbeat optimism to share but no, really, I must go. I'm counseling Rupert murdoch and helping him look on the bright side. If there's anyone who can find a silver lining for ol' Rupe, it's me, me, wonderful me!
Oh, poor WTF. You're such a big deal - to yourself only! why not avail yourself of your own self check for deuchebuggery? I think you are in high need of a good flushing out, fore and aft!
RCP, I don't care if my friends and neighbors make money off of tourists, and they don't either, you clearly can't see the big picture, the fact that a lot of that money doesn't stay here anyway.
And tourists have no reason to worry about the fact that there are guns around unless they are doing something wrong.
You're a dreamer and an idiot. :-)
Never in my life have I cared about tourists as being a part of my income, just saying.
Tourism provides a few with some decent bucks, hotel owners and such, for everyone else (those that work for the hotel owners) it just provides low paying jobs, just saying.
I know a lady that works at the Lake Crescent Lodge, she has an 'important position' with a title, I'll ask her what great wages she makes next time I see her.
The last time I saw her she was crying because of their Dilbert Zone bullshit, it's a concession you know, you don't really think the money stays here, do you?
And still nothing to back up any of your baloney...funny how you losers dry up when someone asks for actual proof...
WTF? said...
"And still nothing to back up any of your baloney...funny how you losers dry up when someone asks for actual proof..."
And did they answer a straight question from Paladin? No they did not!
Meanwhile "Monkey Boy" is waving his gun in the air because he saw a 14 year old down the street on a skateboard.
Is this the real Port Angeles?
I do not think so!
I'll second or third this...
"Drew, who is obviously a stooge of the established PADA order... Cody, the obvious old council stooge?"
[citation needed]
I don't care about Drew one way or another, but you do have to acknowledge he states he is on the Board of the PADA (as he stated in opne of his earlier posts), and appears to be supportive of the PADA by his comments. Does that make him a "stooge"? I dunno. What is the difference?
Port Angeles in decline? Remember it used to have 3 ferries running to Victoria every day, and people sleeping on cots outside, waiting for the next days' ferry runs.
Today, two of the three ferries are gone, and no one is lining up on the streets for the next days's run.
More recently, there were 6 flights out of Port Angeles on Kenmore Air, now there are three, and they can't fill those.
That is those business's response to the current situation. Not rhetoric.
Losers? Yeah. Port Angeles is a bunch of losers.
Stuupid Boy Randall sez: "Meanwhile "Monkey Boy" is waving his gun in the air because he saw a 14 year old down the street on a skateboard.
Is this the real Port Angeles?
I do not think so!"
Yes, Randall knows the "real Port Angeles" because he has been here for 8 months, and has done his "research". Research that made him conclude all the posts on this blog under "Anonymous" are made by one person. Yeah, a real credible person!
Randall wants Port Angeles to be something it isn't. He is trying real hard to recreate reality.
Maybe after Randall has been here for a few years, and actually tries to DO something in Port Angeles, he may have a valid opinion.
Is Drew a stooge for the PADA?
He is the Chair of the PADA "Promotions" Committee.
http://portangelesdowntown.com/faqs.php
According to the PDN, he was appointed to the Board of Directors, and then "ran" for the seat on the Board he now holds.
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20110608/news/306089984/four-contested-races-shape-up-in-clallam-county
He seems to be a willing supporter and participant of the current PADA. Does that make him a "stooge"? You decide.
If my talking about guns and not wanting more people here discourages others from coming here this is a good thing in my mind.
More people do not make a better town, face it, most of you don't really care to have more people here, but a few of you want more money from those that may be here.
Get some skills that don't rely on that income from your artsy fartsy stuff.
My best friend doesn't even advertise his business and has a waiting list. I turn down work all the time.
Times were good here when we were stripping the forests of trees and the downtown area was more bars than other businesses and the hookers were all working.
Times have changed, get over it, adjust.
"Is this the real Port Angeles?"
His Holiness, RCP.
Answer: yes, it is!
Now join WTF in a vow of perpetual silence.
The tedious RCP sez: "Meanwhile "Monkey Boy" is waving his gun in the air because he saw a 14 year old down the street on a skateboard."
Now let's look at Billy's original post:
"Helen wanted a sundae so I took her to the Dairy Queen and there was some of those punk teens that some complain about, blocking the drive into the parking spots.
I pulled right to them and honked my horn and one over six feet that thinks he is a tough shit started swearing at me.
I learned those words long before he did I don't let punk hoods intimidate me, especially when I'm packing a gun.
"Get out of the way you fucking fuck or I'll make hamburger out of you."
They moved down the street."
H'mmm ... I don't see any reference to "gun waving" here.
You're being more than a little hysterical, RCP, but your shameless distorting of the facts is worthy of Rupert Murdoch or the PDN. And calling Billy a "Monkey Boy" is not being a "posi-tron".
I suggest you take a refreshing walk through Webster's Woods. You will feel better about yourself and the experience will cool your feverish, over-heated mind.
Ha, this thread is too funny.........
No one seems to care about Port Angeles
This is the most selfish place on earth
A 17-year-old boy is accused of bludgeoning his parents with a hammer, then hosting dozens of friends for a party while their bodies lay in the bedroom, police said Monday.
And a teen killed his mother and sister in Ca.
This is another good reason for adults to pack guns, this is not a nice planet.
I of course run around all crazy eyed waving mine wildly around.
I think if RCP knew how many guns are actually in this town he'd go cower in a closet, hehehe
Keep those guns loaded.
Never show up at a gun fight with just a knife.
If you don’t like cops, next time you need help call your mommy.
Those that think anarchy may come here are stocking up on ammo and gun powder, just in case.
There are folks here that could arm a small army with just their personal collections.
Peaceful people keep the peace with guns.
Power to the people….
If you google "Port Angeles" you'll get 16,800,000 search results. I looked through the first 15 pages of results before I quit and Port Angeles Online was not in that first 15 pages of search results. No offense to this fine website, but I don't think anyone (and I mean anyone) will make a trip decision to PA based on the comments in this blog.
In other words, you got nothin'.
It seems to me that anyone who doesn't support your extreme position is a "stooge" or some other insult. You complain about hijacked threads, but that only means that the thread is taking a direction beyond your control. (Usually people talking about local issues while you want to drone on endlessly about the national economic crisis) You complain about trolls, and then post asinine "Random C Puke" idiocy ad nauseum. Gee, are there any mirrors in that glass house you live in?
Your poor head is so far up the ass of pessimism that you’re absolutely blind to anything positive that might be going on here. (Karen Rodgers can’t get herself elected dog catcher, Edna Peterson is reduced to a blubbering laughing stock, Larry Williams skipping town, PADA in open revolt, the old guard is losing its grip, etc.) This stuff is kind of icky to watch, but still show signs of positive movement. But of course you can’t acknowledge any of that because it just doesn’t square with your” Port Angeles is Hell on Earth” theory.
Sometimes I long for a time before the internet, when people like you were content to sit in their lonely rooms drinking cheap wine (whine?) and passing judgment on the world around them, quietly.
WTF at 9:32...Well said! Let's not forget the original post claimed all the members and candidates were "stooges, ninnies and cronies?"
From wiki..."A stooge is generally defined as a person that is under the control of another. Being called a stooge is an insult"
Who is pulling the strings? Please enlighten me since many of you insist I am stupid and uninformed.
It's a beautiful day, and I have things to do so I will be back tonight to explain again how posting as "Anonymous" is an act of surrendering your personal power.
WTF? said...
In other words, you got nothin'.
Hunh? From my own experience, reading through the PDN, talking to folks I run into through the day, and reading posts here reveal all kinds of reasons to be wary about investing any time, energy or money into Port Angeles. I don't know about anybody else, but that it what concerns me. I'm not out to insult others. No money in that.
After a number of years working to better Port Angeles via the local organizations and agencies, I quit. I got so tired of the in-fighting, nepotism, and virtual corruption. Even "WTF?" has commented extensively about this, too.
"WTF?" is right, kinda. Karen Rogers might not be able to be elected dog catcher in this town, but there are almost half the voters who still support her kind of politics. Look how close the last election results have been.
And, when we elect the "alternative", what happened? Look at Betsy Wharton. Nice person, but still voted with the "old guard". Look at Brad Collins. Same thing. Look on the Plannning Commission. Same thing.
More recently, tax payers money being shoveled at Pen-Ply so good ole' boy Grant Monroe can have a staging platform for his business interests. Was that ever publcly disclosed, when the council endorsed the last bail out for Pen-Ply? Were they even told by staff?
Other than Max, there is not much real change.
"WTF?" may want to rail on to insult people who are concerned and wary about Port Angeles. That's his choice. He and others may want to risk their money, time and energy in Port Angeles.
Not me. I can't afford to.
@WTF
Vote for Betsy Wharton, maybe she will put some art around town for you.
Our Resident Paranoid Holy Man said:
"Who is pulling the strings? Please enlighten me since many of you insist I am stupid and uninformed."
Well, let's look at what we have been told :
" Anonymous 1:25, this is your 16th post on this thread. That seems a bit extreme to me."
And:
"I have been here 8 months now. I really like it here and the people are great. I have actually done my homework. I have read the PDN for about 2 years now. I watched this blog and others for months before posting. And I have discussed it with others here in P.A.
What I have seen on this blog is that there is one person who posts as "Anonymous". She posts obsessively and negatively. She posts and then posts again to support her own posts.
The posters like BBC, WTF, Positive Attitude, and PAnerd and others with screen names are willing to engage in discourse and discussion. Anonymous is not willing to do that. Anonymous is a classic "confusion troll" and cyber bully."
4:26 PM, July 14, 2011
Then:
"Anonymouse 1:26...I will make you a deal. I will go if you can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that all the posts by "Anonymous" here on this blog are not posted by you.
Ooops, there it is...how's that powerless thing workin' out for ya'? ROTFL
10:20 PM, July 16, 2011
Ya wonder why people think you're stupid and uninformed? And paranoid?
Never mind that the majority of ANY of the discussions and conversations about issues in Port Angeles have come from all of us posting as " Anonymous".
And, now you say: ".. I will be back tonight to explain again how posting as "Anonymous" is an act of surrendering your personal power."
I'm sure we all (the majority who post as "Anonymous here) will be interested in your non-acceptance of the will of the majority.
Clearly, this is the root problem in Port Angeles that needs fixing, and we are all so happy you've self appointed yourself to take this on. We didn't know we needed to be changed, until you came along.
"WTF?" may want to rail on to insult people who are concerned and wary about Port Angeles. That's his choice
That’s just my point. You’re not concerned. You just wanna rag. See, “concerned’ people offer suggestions… you know, try to help. As you know, I’m well aware of many the deficits and challenges Port Angeles faces. And I wonder what can be done. Your answer is “Nothing”… Ok I get it. I just don’t need it every day, every post, every situation. This Drew shows up, an actual candidate, wanting to talk, and some ass calls him a stooge. How soon do you think he, or any other candidate will be back? I know I’d rather have been reading his posts than yours.
He and others may want to risk their money, time and energy in Port Angeles.
Not me. I can't afford to.
Then don’t. Just go. This shithole ain’t for everybody, if ya can’t hack it, just move on. But please, don’t be like Larry Williams or the sad chick that can’t give it up… Post on your New local blog in your New town that has no corruption, or pollution, or teabaggers, or PDAs, or rednecks, or sleazy kids hanging around on street corners, or garbage can babies, and give the rest of us a freaking break.
Changing the subject to Francis St. Park, and the plans to put a "sculpture" there commemorating the 9-11-2011 tragedy at the World Trade Center: Did anyone see the artist's rendering of the "sculpture" in the PDN? It is a rusting I-beam allegedly salvaged from the wreckage of the WTC, positioned so that it juts skyward at an angle out of a chunk of something at the base. Is it intended to look like the "F U" symbol?
To me, it is grotesque.
there are enough of "us" Anonymous that we had -- at one point -- mentioned having coffee together. The only problem is, it's a small town, and because of that, we're wary to actually show ourselves, because of what repercussions it may have in our greater lives.
Some of us own businesses. Some of us have reasons to not want to "be out-ed". Others would be shockingly familiar faces. Others would lose their jobs (most certainly). It's a small town, and it doesn't take much to get on the wrong side of some. Doesn't take much to be "blackballed" (and not the ferry) in this town.
The long time "status quo" is that a few families (who own the most land, by the way) are the ones who pull strings, make this town "us-v.s.-them".
I bought a house from one of the old founder families. Nothing in it is to code. (It was built a while ago.) There were outright lies on the contract, in the appraisal, home inspection (done by a relative of the seller, I found out later), and the surveying (totally off). Its been a nightmare from day one, and if you've ever heard the expression "can't fight city hall", without a flow chart of family relationships, I have no idea who IS part of the old-boys-network (who will lie to my face, and laugh about it later) and who will actually help me.
Meanwhile, I have had contractors give me bids several hundred times higher than I could have gotten in Seattle. I've had work never finished, take much longer than anticipated, and had so-called contractors take the deposit and then never show up for work. And the result? Nothing. No one takes anything seriously here IF YOU AREN'T 3rd or 4th generation, or if you aren't married to, sleeping with, or otherwise connect to the right people.
The joke of it is the Washington State Attorney's office admits that it's "the wild west" in Clallam county. We're seen as a bunch of renegade hillbillies with a law unto ourselves. No one can make heads nor tails out of it, and when there IS an investigation, half the records are destroyed as soon as word-of-mouth reaches this godforsaken corner of the world.
I'm not paranoid. I just never knew there was such a rats nest of corruption that seems to be the culture out here. Until the old "power brokers" drop dead, and their totally incompetent, spoiled kids mentally check out (drugs, drink) and some new blood flows in, nothing is going to change.
Sad truth.
It is very much Peyton Place, along with a heavy dose of Animal Farm and Deliverance. YEEE HAW. Ma and Pa Kettle live.
well, i see after reading the posts here that the anonymous poster who branded Drew as a stooge, has concluded that anyone who actually works to improve things is in fact a stooge. futher, anyone who wants a question answered or a conversation on a subject is treated to a quick listing of their possible mental disorders.
randall's humorous post regarding cyber terrorists is starting to sound more real than funny.
No more Streamfest?
Paladin sez: "..anyone who wants a question answered or a conversation on a subject is treated to a quick listing of their possible mental disorders."
You really should read some of the comments here, mostly by all those "Anomnymous", to see the diversity of topics that actually HAVE been discussed.
It is Randall who, since coming here, has devoted the bulk of his posts insulting the majority of the participants here.
Should we go back, and count how many of his posts actually "discuss" ANYTHING, versus the ones that insult people here in one way or another?
Paladin, I don't see that the guy that called Drew a stooge ever did reply.
From Tom: "Port Angeles, Washington: This is YOUR forum. Tell us what YOU think."
"WTF?", I don't get the point you're trying to make. Are you saying you only want peoiple to write about things you approve of?
A shrine or a joke?
Agreed.
YEEE HAW. Ma and Pa Kettle live.
You can bet Ma and Pa Kettle would have done their homwork and not have gotten snookered in the first place...Dont let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya.
Paladin, I was only half kidding.
Anonymous 3:35, you might want to post as "Anonymous Coherent" to distinquish yourself from the posers. Here's a valuable tip for you...AngiesList.com...contractors etc. rated, weighed and measured, those found wanting are clearly seperated from the master craftsmen.
I must be off, the tactical room is buzzing tonight. Read this and then feel free to return to your regularly scheduled "stuff"!
"At a checkpoint near the front lines in the town of al-Qualish, as the two sides lobbed rockets at each other, a young rebel fighter with a rifle dating from the Italian occupation in the first half of the 20th century shouted to a reporter, “Thomas Jefferson good!”
The Washington Post, July 17th
WTF? You are an idiot. Tell me, exactly, what your problem is.
To quote: "You can bet Ma and Pa Kettle would have done their homwork and not have gotten snookered in the first place..."
First, you do realize that Ma and Pa Kettle were characters in Betty MacDonald's book (the Egg and I) based on some of her neighbors in the area (on the Olympic Peninsula). The family who believed the characters were based only on them were the family of Albert and Susanna Bishop. Some say that the Egg and I "spawned a perception of Washington as a land of eccentric country bumpkins like Ma and Pa Kettle." When, in fact, she shouldn't have tainted the whole state when it is obvious, in the years since, that it is the Olympic Peninsula that is full of eccentric country bumpkins.
Now, tell me, exactly HOW I should have KNOWN that the real estate agent, the sellers, MY real estate agent, the appraiser, the home inspector, and the title company were all in bed with each other?
We have a very incestuous little community.
Oh golly, Papa and I just knew that Snooki person was a part of this. Lisa just idolizes her. We have tried to explain how trash talking and getting drunk is not a job; but then she says Snooki does it and get's paid so that is what she wants. She even entered a Snooki look alike contest last year. When she didn't win she had a relapse to those bag over the head problems.
Oh, wait does that say snookered? Gosh, I may need new glasses. Nevermind.
Thanks for being understanding.
toddles, Lisa's Mom
Anonymous 4:30 PM, July 20, 2011
Ok then Einstein, Let me break it down for you. First I’m fully aware of the Betty McDonald book, as well as the movies with Marjorie Main and Percy Kilbride. Second, unlike you, I am not convinced I know everything, so when I moved to Port Angeles I Rented for a while until I got the lay of the land. I asked around, read the paper, and when it was time, found and honest realtor who had my best interests in mind. Found a decent place bought it … no worries. Easy Peasy. But of course, you’re so smart; you got rooked by the quaint rubes you feel so superior to. And now you blame everybody else for your stupidity. Something tells me that’s pretty much the norm for you. But don’t listen to me, I’m an idiot.
Anon 4:30, don't take WTF?s' comments so personally. He is heavily invested in Port Angeles, and defends it in the most asbsurd ways. Just look back at his posts, and laugh.
You'll see this weird sentiment you've likely already encountered: unless your famlies' family, going back a 100 years or so, were born and raised here, you're fair game for all kinds of abuse. No sympathies, just sneers. Unfortunately, you're not the first to be screwed by the local good ole boys.
And in some wierd way, WTF? aligns himself with that crew.
Rants against Karen Rodgers and Larry Williams. Sure. They are "outlanders", not born and raised here.
Yeah, you're an idiot for trusting people. A fool for believing what you were told. A bad person who should not " ..let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya." because you accepted what the title company told you.
Welcome to Port Angeles.
WTF I did not rent for a while, I visited, liked it, found a place, and purchased.
I've purchased before, in several places (including Seattle) and wasn't a neophyte. Hell, bought property in the EU, so believe me, not naive. However, elsewhere I found a modicum of professionalism. NOT FOUND HERE.
Here it is screw or be screwed, and buyer beware. You cannot foresee that.
Glad you are so damn educated and smart, and smug. You, obviously, fit right in.
So who have you screwed, cheated, or lied to this week? Doesn't the town have a quota? Hope you won't be thrown out if you don't meet expectations.
Love you, too, WTF? Hopefully the pooch will screw you where the door should have hit YOU.
Annonymous whiner #2:
I’ve bought and sold real estate in Seattle too. No sleazy types there, no sir… Actuaaally, I used the same methodology there as I did here, so it all worked out just fine. I always get MY OWN inspection (125.00 vs. 250,000 plus seems like a reasonable precaution.) You had a good experience in Seattle so Seattle is all good. I really think you and the other anonymous experienced some kind of failure here and simply can’t accept it. So blame the place, blame the people, but don’t look at yourself. You can’t imagine anyone being happy here because you’re not. Your assumption that I must have ripped somebody off is your own pathology. We must be stupid, or crooked because we have succeeded where you failed. The reality is shitty people exist EVERYWHERE. So do good people. And so do people who whine and moan about their situation… Incidentally, there have been two more articles in the PDN regarding the changes and controversy with PADA that we’ll never get to, because we need to discuss your pathetic inability to cope. That’s WAAY more important. After all, it’s ALL about you…
You know, maybe it is way past time to quit egging the Trolls on. "If you argue with an Idiot, he will drag you down to his level, and then beat you with his experience." (author unknown) We have people who think they are too funny, or too smart, or too experienced for the rest of us, and that we should all bask in their wonderfulness. They are really just too conceited.
I hope to continue to appreciate any relavant comments made, on any subject, even when they don't align with my own. Thank you.
PADA articles in PDN..let's see "Barb: no comment" And, again, "Barb: no comment" No one else is commenting either.
So what is there to talk about?
The executive (clerk) director acts like SHE IS the PADA (which she is not, she's supposed to let the president of the board be the figurehead). The board comes and goes, changes totally, yet nothing ever changes. Why? Culture comes from the top and the only consistent is Barb.
Their spreadsheets on finances have NEVER added things up right. The Executive (clerk) buys things that the board hasn't approved and then pays herself back. The stated mission is to aid downtown, but the reality is only a very few get any help, the rest get a bogus email missive that is so full of happy talk it has caused severe retching, if not outright vomiting.
WTF? Whats to talk about? The PDN is hardly the investigative journalism model of excellence or voice of our community. If anything, they have profited by the nuzzling and caressing that has gone on between the Executive (clerk) and their crack, johnny-on-the-spot sales executive (lackey) which has caused many dollars of PADA money to flow from the organization to the rag of journalistic excellence (NOT). For what? To promote Downtown Dollars (lame). To promote Girls Night Out (presumably for transvestite trainees as it always happens during Esprit). To promote a sidewalk sale? To do, yet another, Twilight promotion?
Hell, the PDN's current "top of the fold story" says that the "Twilight MEGA-STARS discuss new film" Yeah. That is news, right? Who cares?
Not me. Used to care. Burned out.
Well ok, here’s some stuff… What percentage of the PADA do 81 signatures make? Is it significant? Are you buying the old director’s resignation? Was he forced out as a scapegoat? What about the new director? Is this change window dressing, or what? How is Barb reviewed? Is she on a contract, or is her employment open ended? Who decides? I don’t know if I’ve EVER heard anything positive about that woman. Now, the city forks over 20 grand for “Main Street”, yet charges x for parking? What’s up with that? It’s like giving your kid an allowance and then charging him rent.
WTF, you are one of the few here who make sense. All the "anons" read like someone talking to themself to appear to be a majority. If they cannot understand simple internet conventions like choosing a screen name, how can they expect to deal with problems in real estate deals or business issues like the PADA?
wtf 2:41, you make a very good point. i am not a member of the pada, but i would like to see an accounting of the cost of this shell game. it sounds like more of the beaucratic nonsense that is crippling the u.s. economy.
Here's another joke on the downtown: the "Wayfinding" signs the City is paying thousands upon thousands of dollars for.
The City's web site has photos of a few of the signs, and Nathan West's department is soliciting public comments on them. At least now the City is giving us a clue as to where the signs are located. I had been curious and looking for them and never could find any. It turns out there are supposed to be six such signs, four of which I drive by every day. I guess they are only supposed to attract the attention of pedestrians, because the lettering is way too small for a passing motorist to read. They are also placed lower than regular traffic signs, and so can be totally blocked from view by passing trucks or vans if you're on the outside lane.
What genius decided that it would help people "find their way" if the city fastened a tiny, detailed street map of downtown to the top of a ten foot pole?
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