If You Support Obama, You Hate America
Here are some excerpts from a letter to the editor in today’s Peninsula Daily News:
I can’t help wondering if this letter-writer had to spend two weeks jumping through Paul Gottlieb’s hoops — re-word this, delete that sentence, etc. — as other letter-writers have been required to do.
…Someone who does not know how Saul Alinsky ties in to Obama is ignorant of so many things. Look up Alinsky to see how anti-American he was. For those who do not know, Alinsky is an Obama mentor. Supporting Obama is promoting socialism/communism and the destruction of this nation, compared with how the founders intended it as a representative republic.
Support for Obama tells me that a person does not deserve to be in this country and have all the freedoms he or she does, and should move to one of the socialist countries that share that mindset. Obama is bent on removing our freedoms, which is happening faster and faster. We have generations of people not recognizing this erosion of freedom, and we are experiencing the result. The present momentum is in favor of the evil people who are in charge…
I can’t help wondering if this letter-writer had to spend two weeks jumping through Paul Gottlieb’s hoops — re-word this, delete that sentence, etc. — as other letter-writers have been required to do.
posted by Tom Harper at 4:27 PM
47 Comments:
Is this country a democracy, or a dictatorship, as theis letter writer seems to imply.
Amoungst the freedoms this letter writer cites, is the ability to vote on things. Not everything, but alot of things.
The majority of Americans voted for Obama. If the majority voted for Obama, then what is the problem?
Does the writer of that letter think that a tiny minority of people should dictate to the majority what should happen in this country?
That a tiny minority's views should "out-vote" the majority?
Just weird!
Yes, this letter, like many others from the fringe right-wing, seems to have made it through Gottlieb's "fact checking" just fine. Which must mean that, in Gottlieb's world, it's all true. And that is just one more example of how Paul Gottlieb is a giant asshole.
Not that we needed another example to know that, mind you...
Writing letters to the PDN? Why bother.
In fact, if you have even followed the on line comments, you'll see that the extremists have chased most of the ordinary folks away. The "regulars" that post comments on the PDN articles often have such extreme positions that regular people don't want to get involved in the conversations.
And, as Tom says, Gottlieb works so hard to filter what letters to the editor that get submitted that he doesn't personally agree with, that many in the area have given up trying to participate in that forum for community discussion.
If that were not bad enough, the PDN then deletes comments posted that do not fit with their views.
So, what does what you read on the PDN site, or in their paper represent? The twisted views of the selected few, as this thread demonstrates.
There's a fucking machine writes that shit. It's always the same flavor of shit with minor changes in the menu.
I fete the executive orders Obama is going to issue because Congress is not going to pass gun control legislation. He pretty much made that clear last night.
Question: Can I hate America AND not support Obama?
I travel all over the world, Obama is the laughing stock of the world right now. it's embarrassing
Funny. I travel all over the world, too. I only see admiration for Obama.
Over the years I have traveled, the clear laughing stock have been the Republicans and their extreme views. Like "Rape is God's will.."
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I love my country but not so much my government, and I voted for my favorite idiot, Obama.
Their offices smell like diapers. People used to joke it must have been a day care center at one time but that was years ago, and the smell persists. Too funny.
Gottlieb is a real scumbag. His problems with substance abuse are public record. His trouser trouble with people he manages is widely known at the PDN. He has no morals, no ethics, yet sets himself up as the moral guardian of the editoral page. Crazy!
Bonus points: He also worships Glenn Cutler, since he apparently needs a father figure. Paul also has talked about a "girlfriend" who lives out of town - and who is clearly a fantasy. Crazy!
Final round: Paul once asked a friend of mine out. According to her, his approach went something like this: "I don't really have any friends, and you should probably stay away from me, but...Do you want to go out sometime?" Crazy! But honest! But crazy!
If I had a dollar for every time someone said something negative about Paul Gottlieb, I'd have enough money to buy that rat trap of a paper and fire his palsied ass.
Anon 1:43pm
All i can figure is you have listened to yourself so long that you are obsessed with lying.
Reminds me a bit of all those D. Holliday letters that Max ghost-wrote. Ha ha!
Given how often Gottlieb gets things totally wrong in his articles, it's pretty funny that they have set him up to be the official fact-checker for letters to the editor. But then again, I guess at the PDN it's a "fact" that Obama is a Marxist Muslim hell-bent on destroying America. No wonder their so-called "coverage" of the corrupt goings on at the Port and the County is so lame. Anything to protect other right-wing nuts. Ask no questions, and spread the right-wing agenda.
Lovely letter to the editor today attributing the mass shootings to violent video games, as if that were the only part of our culture that glorifies violence. It couldn't possibly be violence on television or the movies where people are violently attacked or killed frequently, but displaying a single nipple on live TV is an outrage. It couldn't have anything to do with a culture of violence that has persisted in this country for decades from constant military deployments, terrorist fear-mongering and hysteria, and the increasing popularity of MMA-style events with actual violence encouraged compared to the old scripted professional wrestling where everything was fake. I don't see the MMA stuff as being much different from the gladiators in Rome, minus the deaths and slavery.
Are you not entertained?
I don't have any guns that would do that kind of destruction.
As 'arsenals' go mine is pretty puny. My two big caliber guns are black powder guns and not at all useful in combat situations, they are just for the sport of black powder shooting. My other guns are .22's and pellet guns, but if hell breaks out around me maybe they will do the trick, I don't know, I just hope hell doesn't break out around me.
It isn't about gun control, or mental illness, as much as the media wants to focus people on those. I'm not against gun control, because I do know guns are inanimate. People kill people.
The mentally ill are more likely to be the victims of violence, and we all know most of the violence in America comes from the "sane".
Violence is the result of culture. Other countries have guns, video games and the mentally ill, but none have the level of violence seen in the US. What is different? The "John Wayne" justice culture. The culture that makes the individual, and "individual rights" more important than "community". The culture that says "I have the right to do anything I want to, and to hell with anyone who disagrees".
As long as people avoid facing the real causes of violence, nothing will change.
These republicans are just fuck wads and the PDN is fuck wad central. Too bad it got bought out before it went under. A fucking shame. Seriously.
So here we have what was inevitable. 20 children are gunned down for no reason, with weapons and ammo owned by a woman, that should not be legal in the first place, taken by her son. Obviously, having guns in the house did not protect her. And her efforts with her son - FAIL.
For TWENTY years the NRA has gone after Democrats, under the guise of FREEDOM when it has all been about the gun makers and $$. Take note of the outrage and climate, republicans. That little boy Noah Pozner was shot ELEVEN times.
Can you imagine, the children that had to witness that, right before the same thing happened to them? One after one? How can their parents live after that? I shudder to think how my mother would have felt if that had happened to me. She would not have recovered. My father would have gone ballistic. But they were of another era.
Remember the outrage over the illegal Iraq war and all the dead soldiers that were coming home in caskets - that the media were not allowed to photograph or cover? All to line the pockets of DICK Cheney and the likes of him. Millionaires with profound financial interests in a world of turmoil. A win win for them. They didn't even know the fucking difference between the two Muslim groups. Where was the outrage over that little oversight on your side in post Hussein Iraq? Compare that to the treatment Susan Rice got. Shameful, and with the info. age, you are losing the info battle, and most of the world sees you for what you are.
So, to the point. What did the Bush era wars bring you? BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!! So you, in desperation, rebrand yourselves, the TEA PARTY. You become, and name yourselves TEABAGGERS only to realize later that week that means you like to eat big hairy nuts - like someone dips a teabag into a cup of tea, you let men plop their sweaty scrotums into your eager mouths. The irony was very funny and profound. Pass the Santorum.
So now you are just Tea Party Supporters". How lame. We are so sick of your hate, death, and marketing efforts. And your bad movies and bad video games. You fuck wad Republicans are losing your precious issues, one by one and most of us are looking forward to an era when your voice is routinely ridiculed and considerably diminished. Oh, wait, that was fucking YESTERDAY.
I'm not a member but it's anal to blame the NRA on this countries problems.
I agree. The NRA is only a symptom, a physical manifestation of the attitudes that result in violence. There are plenty of rational, community-minded people who own guns, and plenty of over-the-top individual rights people who don't own guns.
And, violence takes many forms. We are just focused on guns at the moment, because of recent events.
I'm going out today, please don't shoot me, we don't even know each other.
Sure have been a lot of car accidents in Clallam since pot was legalized! NOT! And that wife beating?! THROUGH THE ROOF!
Suicides? OFF THE CHARTS!! But the cops are on the look out for all that pot inspired chaos. I heard training was in the works for cops on how to identify pot smokers but after they spent $30,000 on a study, and hired an "expert" to give classes, they learned all he was going to do was give slide presentations of people of different backgrounds using different methods smoking pot! That's how you tell! If you observe them smoking pot they MIGHT be a pot smoker! And the questions in class were like "how can I tell if my wife's rice crispies have pot in them?" These new cops are so funny!
"...after they spent $30,000 on a study, and hired an "expert" to give classes..."
This expert was from out of town, wasn't he/she?
Of course he/she was from out of town. These idiots don't have enough brains to know how to run this town without outside idiots telling them how to do it.
I'm not really an Obama fan, but I don't hate the guy. But Gottlieb...he makes it easy to hate him. What a sleaze.
Somebody should do an expose' on Port Angeles, and all the millions in taxpayer money that has been run through this town with bad results.
Really.
Please come to the PDN building this afternoon at 1:30 PM where we will have two minutes of hate directed at Paul Gottleib. Please attend so that Gottleib knows just how we feel about him and his "filters"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91WIBsKu_Y
The NRA used to be an organization that promoted hunting and marksmanship. Since the 70's it's become the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers and a right-wing PAC.
http://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/newtown
Since the 70's it's become the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers and a right-wing PAC.
Bullshit, guns are just an American culture, like Harley's, I know lots of women that have guns.
Oh, a woman owed those guns, a woman hasn't done a mass murder with one yet but it's only a matter of time, carry on.
Do you remember that part of "Bowling for Columbine" where Moore interviews that Canadian cop, who says there are more guns per person in Canada, than in the US? The guy says something about how Canada has a long history as hunters and trappers?
So, how come the US has so much more gun violence, if they have more guns than us?
BBC @7:04
Guns being a part of American culture negates nothing I said about the NRA. If that's all you've got, you got nothing.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/?single_page=true#
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082
The NRA's war on science
...Over the past two decades, the NRA has not only been able to stop gun control laws, but even debate on the subject. The Centers for Disease Control funds research into the causes of death in the United States, including firearms — or at least it used to. In 1996, after various studies funded by the agency found that guns can be dangerous, the gun lobby mobilized to punish the agency. First, Republicans tried to eliminate entirely the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the bureau responsible for the research. When that failed, Rep. Jay Dickey, a Republican from Arkansas, successfully pushed through an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the CDC’s budget (the amount it had spent on gun research in the previous year) and outlawed research on gun control with a provision that reads: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”...
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_nras_war_on_gun_science/
See, that is how democracy works.
Those with the money get to control what people get to know, and then people get to vote, based upon the information the people with money let them know.
That is called "Freedom" in the United States.
Dave from Sequim, learn how to make links, I'm too fucking lazy to copy/paste addresses.
If you don't like the NRA, next time you need help call your mommy.
Dave, it doesn't matter what kind of laws the feds make, people are going to do what they want to do, buy more guns.
hahahaha! It's nice to have this blog site, where free speech, whatever it may be, is still a human civil right.
The NRA is blaming video games and movies for the violence in America?
Are they saying that these video games and movies are only available in the US?
Again: What is the same, and what is different?
People intent on hurting others will find a way.
Worried about assault rifles and high capacity clips? Go ahead and outlaw them. Really, I don't care, I think the debate is a distraction.
Even if you could magically, instantly eliminate all assault rifles, machine guns and high capacity clips, how are you going to stop IEDs, car bombs, suicide bombers, gas attacks, biological attacks, etc? $20 propane tanks let loose?
Take away one way to create mass mayhem and notoriety, and those folks will just find another way.
Face the real problem: American culture.
Outlawing guns to prevent more deaths? Sounds good to me!
We should outlaw meth too, that stuff does some serious harm to people.
peace and love all you dumb asses
"We should outlaw meth too, that stuff does some serious harm to people."
I agree! Oh, wait. It is already illegal.
Hmmm.
US policy is that if the goverment THINKS there is anyone "out there" that MIGHT do harm to the US, the country has the RIGHT to do whatever it thinks is right to eliminate the perceived threat.
US policy also allows for drones to fly about in the airspace of other soveriegn nations, and to kill people without arrest, trial, due process, or any opportunity for the accussed to even know what is about to happen to them. AND, all the admittedly innocent people anywhere nearby can also be killed.
The US policy is that it can be judge, jury and executioner.
Respect the rule of law?
AND, the people doing these things are to be seen by the public as "heroes".
So, you wonder why there are individuals in the US who take on these policies in a more personal context?
Don’t forget, BOX CUTTERS killed more people at one time then any gun has. Should we ban BOX CUTTERS?
Guns kill people like spoons made Rosy O’Donnell fat.
"In the US, every day during 2007, about 266 Americans were shot. Every day, a third of them (82 daily) died."
Yes, I can see that box cutters are as serious a problem as guns, and obviously deserve the same attention.
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