City Council Votes to Purchase Rayonier Tank
The Port Angeles City Council voted 6 to 1 to purchase 11.86 acres of the former Rayonier mill site, including the tank. Max Mania was the only council member who voted no.
The city will use the 5-million gallon tank for temporary storage of stormwater and untreated sewage.
The city will use the 5-million gallon tank for temporary storage of stormwater and untreated sewage.
posted by Tom Harper at 7:07 PM
22 Comments:
So when do they plan on treating this overflow monkey shit they direct to the tank?
What will they do after the tank fills up?
The only real solution for this area is fewer monkeys, especially capitalist monkeys.
If there wasn't that many of us here we could just shit in the woods and it wouldn't be any big deal, nature would take care of it.
Nothing in nature is wasted, as long as she isn't overwhelmed.
Well, since Max Mania voted no, then this must be a good thing, right? And it's not like the walking ATMs... oh, I meant taxpayers... don't have bottomless pockets, right Mr. Cino? Spend, spend, spend... but then complain about how the liberals are taxing you out of this town.
Instead of fighting the state for imposing these rediculous storm water requirements (by the way, Pt Angeles is only 1 of very few cities that have had these regs enforced) on Port Angeles, we take tax dollars to feed the problem.
Way to go city leaders
Instead of fighting the state for imposing these rediculous storm water requirements
You bet! We should be fighting for our "right" to dump raw sewage into the harbor. There’s a solution.
"Capitalist said...
Instead of fighting the state for imposing these rediculous storm water requirements (by the way, Pt Angeles is only 1 of very few cities that have had these regs enforced) on Port Angeles, we take tax dollars to feed the problem."
Do you ever do any actual research on these topics before voicing an opinion?
For decades, cities throughout the US have embarked on huge projects to address the pollution caused by raw sewage being mixed with stormwaters, and being discharged untreated into public waters. Look up the project undertaken in Atlanta, for one such example. There are many more such projects, if you look.
The laws are from the Feds, administered by the State, and the penalties for non compliance are loss of funds and fines. As it is, because of "the old council" dragging its' feet for years on working towards compliance, Port Angeles has been forced to take on stupid projects like this storage tank at Rayonier.
So, you propose that the city spend its' limited taxpayer funds fighting the Feds on issues it cannot win. With so many other cities throughout the country having taken measures to clean up their messes, Port Angeles wouldn't have much of a case to pursue.
Having said all that, I DO agree the purchase of the old tank at the Rayonier site is a big waste of taxpayer money, and the wrong approach to address the problems.
In the long run, Cutlers' plan will cost the city huge amounts of money. But, he doesn't care.
You bet! We should be fighting for our "right" to dump raw sewage into the harbor. There’s a solution.
Nope, we should be dumping storm water into the straits, not raw sewage. Our problem is we collect both the same way, and during heavy rainfall almost all the water collected is storm water not "raw sewage" as you state.
The Washington State Department of Ecology rules do not account for the difference between the two (sewage and storm water) during heavy rainfall
during heavy rainfall almost all the water collected is storm water not "raw sewage" as you state.
This from the PDN article:
Ecology has mandated that the city reduce its sewage overflows from between 30 and 100 per year to no more than four on average by 2016
Did ya notice the phrase "sewage overflow" ? Aside from your posts, what does that mean to you?
Storm sewers and sanitary sewers should never be tied together.
WTF?
The only real solution is a lot less monkeys here. This was a hell of a lot cooler town forty years ago.
Capitalist sez:
"Nope, we should be dumping storm water into the straits, not raw sewage. Our problem is we collect both the same way, and during heavy rainfall almost all the water collected is storm water not "raw sewage" as you state.
The Washington State Department of Ecology rules do not account for the difference between the two (sewage and storm water) during heavy rainfall"
Again, you're comments are not correct.
Port Angeles has two separate sewers, one for the stuff that goes down your house drains, the drains of hotels, etc. This is called a "sanitary sewer". The other is a stormwater collection system with 2,500 catch basins, and 80 outfalls. This system collects the water running off sidewalks, streets, parking lots and such.
In Port Angeles, and many other cities, roof downspouts, and other sources of rainwater are deliberately connected to the sanitary sewer, instead of the storrmwater collection system. As we know, when we get substantial rainfall, the extra water overwhelms the sanitary sewer, causing overflows.
So, to the extent that "we collect both the same way" can mean they are both conveyed in underground pipes, that is true. But these are different collection systems, with different collection points, traveling through different pipes to different ends.
The Washington Dept of Ecology DOES differentiate between sanitary sewers, and stormwater collection systems. If you'd bother to look into this stuff, you'd see that there are different standards for either. The sanitary sewer has to treat the waste in its' system to a much higher standard than the stormwater(which at this point is minimal).
However, pending laws will require storm waters to be treated for heavy metals, oils, antifreeze, etc in the near future, and the city is already started to think about all that. You can find info about that on the city website.
The sad situation in Port Angeles is that it could disconnect the relatively few sources of stormwater that have been connected to the sanitary sewer, that are causing the problems/overflows. But, that is not a mega project that would employ Excelteck, costing tens of millions, the kind of project Glen Cutler likes.
As Anon 1:21 correctly sezs: "Storm sewers and sanitary sewers should never be tied together.
WTF?"
To Anonymous @ 9:07 PM, October 21, 2010
Thanks for clarifing the sewer situation; sounds like you've hit the nail on teh head:
"..The sad situation in Port Angeles is that it could disconnect the relatively few sources of stormwater that have been connected to the sanitary sewer, that are causing the problems/overflows. But, that is not a mega project that would employ Excelteck, costing tens of millions...."
"Anon" @ 1:21
The problem we have here is a monkey infestation. And no one here in charge has the brains or balls to enforce a moratorium on growth.
What is a "moratorium on growth " and how would it be "enforced"?
No one has the balls or the brains?
No one but you,you mean?
What is a "moratorium on growth " and how would it be "enforced"?
You simply do not allow anymore places to live to be built.
No one has the balls or the brains? No one but you,you mean?
Apparently...
BBC, why don't you burn down your house, hand over your laptop or PC, throw away your cell phone and move into your tent out at salt creek.
Then we would surely have one less Monkey.
"Anonymous said...
What is a "moratorium on growth " and how would it be "enforced"?"
I have lived in communities much larger than Port Angeles, years ago, that enacted growth moratoriums. The moratoriums were enacted by the city council, and enforced through the denial of new building permits. The real estate/development community opposed and fought it, initially, until they found that the limited availability of housing in the area drove up the value of real estate. Then they were happy, of course.
But, it doesn't seem to be a big problem in the Port Angeles area, as the population has been stagnant, even declining in recent years. Lots, houses, retail and commercial spaces sit vacant for years.
Why build more, if you can't sell what you already have?
Why don't you burn down your house and leave town?
I don't use a tent, I have a 5th Wheel, ya dumb shit.
Capitalist should stop blowing spittle around in here and get his ass back to work so he can pay his mortgage.
"But, it doesn't seem to be a big problem in the Port Angeles area, as the population has been stagnant, even declining in recent years. Lots, houses, retail and commercial spaces sit vacant for years. "
And yet, houses and apartments are still ridiculously overpriced here. Along with everything else except wages, of course.
"And yet, houses and apartments are still ridiculously overpriced here. Along with everything else except wages, of course.
6:31 PM, October 23, 2010"
And people wonder why the city has problems??
How many years of this self serving crap do we have to endure? Do people in this town REALLY want to survive and prosper? Or do they just want to spout rhetoric, thump their chests, and feel "right" with no real tangible results?
We know we can't rely on outside saviors, so.
Set aside the "feel good" rhetoric, roll up your sleeves, and let's get working for a sustainable Port Angeles.
Anon 10:23
AMEN!
Hmmm...Almost a week after this is posted, actually invoking the dreaded "Max Mania" by name, and still no response from the ever-unpopular troll. I guess it IS difficult to keep trying to portray Mania as a "tax and spend" liberal when he keeps voting AGAINST spending more taxpayer money.
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