Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe's Design for Rayonier Property
Salish Village would be the name for the proposed "living community" on the former site of the Rayonier mill. It would be a mix of light industrial, commercial, cultural, residential, lodging, retail, convention and park uses. It would also include a restored waterfront pier, urban farmland and wildlife habitat.
The idea comes from Jamestown S'Klallam tribal Chairman Ron Allen and various architects, planners, environmentalists and residents. Ron Allen said:
"This attempt is designed to say to the community there is a way to develop a win-win proposition. Everybody has their own ideas, of leaving it in its natural state to development. We're just suggesting that we think seven generations down the road, looking into the 22nd century, and needing the latest development techniques."
He described the plan as "a very dense development that allows light commercial and industrial kinds of activities that balance with the cultural site and the creek and estuary."
The idea comes from Jamestown S'Klallam tribal Chairman Ron Allen and various architects, planners, environmentalists and residents. Ron Allen said:
"This attempt is designed to say to the community there is a way to develop a win-win proposition. Everybody has their own ideas, of leaving it in its natural state to development. We're just suggesting that we think seven generations down the road, looking into the 22nd century, and needing the latest development techniques."
He described the plan as "a very dense development that allows light commercial and industrial kinds of activities that balance with the cultural site and the creek and estuary."
Labels: Jamestown S'Klallam, Rayonier, Ron Allen, Salish Village
posted by Tom Harper at 11:53 AM
23 Comments:
This looks like just a concept, more of a conversation starter than anything else. And, yeah, it looks very pretty. Sure, it'd be nice to do something with that site. But...
I still wonder why the rush? I still wonder if this will be feasible. A PDN commenter says "build it and they will come" but will they? I mean, look, someone built a very nice strip mall of which Papa Murphy's is the only tenant. Businesses aren't exactly flocking to that one, are they? There are a lot of underutilized areas in Port Angeles, I'm not sure rushing to create a theme area separate from the rest of town will be enough to draw people in.
We're dealing with a crippling economy. The tourists, presumably many of whom would come from Seattle or Seatac, face a two hour drive, gas prices, ferry or bridge tolls. What do we have to offer? Not, what does the Olympic Peninsula offer, because it can offer a lot: trails, wilderness, lakes. But what does Port Angeles offer? Even with some buildings thrown onto the Rayonier land, does it offer enough to make the cost and time sacrifice?
I'm not trying to be overly cynical. There's rumblings of more tourist-type stuff: the zipline, the casinos, the trails, possibly some consistent skiing in winter. But these are all found on the other side of the Sound. I'm just wondering if, amid all these millions of dollars done for concepts, if anyone's done a feasibility study to see if this is even worth the investment? If so, when? And, even if we get the tourist economy up and running, what can be done about getting living wage jobs up here instead of just minimum wage service jobs?
I'm puzzled why the Jamestown Tribe would want to work with Harbor Works on this. Can't they just deal directly with Rayonier more efficiently?
Also - the statement from the Rayonier official is pretty meaningful. He sounds a bit miffed to think that others would be so presumptuous as to devise development plans for a piece of property they don't own, without even discussing it first with the property owner. If true that nobody has approached Rayonier about these development ideas, I wonder why not?
I didn't notice a 5 million gallon sewage tank in the conceptual drawings.
Light industrial like custom boat building may fit in. I just don't get living on the waterfronts though, some things from the past just never let go.
I think that as much of it that can be left natural as possible is the best way to go.
I wonder if they allowed for rising sea levels in their plans, I like to ponder on shit like that.
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Free Enterprise?
The tribe is too smart to buy directly from Rayonier. Whoever buys from Rayonier becomes a "potentially liable party" with regard to the cleanup and its costs.
Rayonier probably does not want to do business with HW because they do not have taxing authority to help pay for the costs. What HW is trying to tell Rayonier is that they are looking for tax money from the state to kick in on the cleanup.
Rayonier would probably prefer the port buy from them because they are a taxing authority and therefore have deep pockets - taxpayers.
Rayonier would love nothing better than to sell to the highest bidder, and get off the hook for cleanup.
Harbor Works is going to scream and kick as long as they can......Why? The Harbor Works execs are earning the "Big Bucks". If Harbor Works goes away, they are gonna have to go job hunting....
Ron Allen is a very influential person in the tribe. He must have some angle in mind, perhaps it will come to light... Good observations Free Enterprise? about the idea of different entities making development plans for property without discussing it with the property owner.....
I think Ron Allen's proposal IS a "game changer", although I disagree with his vision. I'm appalled that he sees development and the money he'll get from it as being more important than history and heritage. But, that IS the direction he has taken the JTS'K.
Why is it a "Game Changer" ? Because now the proponents of the development of that ancient village site have a native american with a proven track record with large development projects who has written to the Gov asking to be the lead entity. Politically, how can they go wrong in throwing in any and all support for these goals? Where are the pitfalls?
Having said that, PA.nerd asks: "I'm just wondering if, amid all these millions of dollars done for concepts, if anyone's done a feasibility study to see if this is even worth the investment?" Supposedly, the "due diligence" studies HarborWorks did recently are just these investigations, in theory. From what was stated by the head of HWs, these studies confirmed there is no market for new industrial, commercial or residential developments in the area.
So, pretty pictures and glowing descriptions are nice, but do not represent the reality of the specific site. Maybe a proposal such as this would fly in an area with a greater nearby population, but that is not Port Angeles. People with Big Money have lots of choices of where to build successful developments, ones that will not look out over a field of smokestacks on an industrial waterfront.
I think this would be a bad idea for the city and county. The tribe pays no property taxes or sales tax. Leaving the city and county short on much needed tax revenue.
Anonymous @ 7:37 PM...
There you go, making sense, knock that shit off, hahahaha
My car's battery was dead this morning. And the toast was burnt and the coffee bitter. Personally, I'm the HW execs. Damn you HW execs!
Anon 12:20 says:
"Personally, I'm the HW execs. Damn you HW execs!"
Hmmm. Sounds like a serious case of self loathing. Might I suggest you visit the folks up on 8th street? They offer free counseling, I hear.
This is a great plan, too bad it's another harebrained idea that will fall on its face, or fail to happen.
Port Angeles has no idea what it offers -- other than a lower-middle class populace, that is wary of "outsiders", clique-ish and narrow minded. It's a bible belt town just past no-where, that hates outsiders, and is 20 years behind the curve.
I'm confused. This morning's PDN has an article about Rayonier & the Lower Elwha Tribe making a joint presentation tonight to reveal their agreed-upon plans to restore Ennis Creek. Yet Ron Allen's design plan for the Rayonier site doesn't mention this. Can creek restoration be compatible with the dense development Allen envisions? Are the two Tribes coordinating with each other on this?
" other than a lower-middle class populace, that is wary of "outsiders", clique-ish and narrow minded.
Once we get rid of the County Fair these lumpenproles will move elsewhere, preferably Forks, Beaver or Sappho. We must gentrify Port Angeles now!
"Once we get rid of the County Fair these lumpenproles will move elsewhere, preferably Forks, Beaver or Sappho. We must gentrify Port Angeles now!"
Oh No! We need the local business community to promote more businesses like PenPly.
In the height of the building/construction season, they are "furloughing" 2/3rds of their employees because of "excess inventory". But PA Chamber Ex Dir. Russ Venamaa points to Penply as evidence that things in Port Angeles are "great".
So, the existing downtown business core is blanketed in dust and stench, driving potential consumers to Sequim that has no such problems. To address this, the Port of Port Angeles maintains the Port Angeles waterfront stay "industrial".
Yeah, I can see a successful development of hotels and conference centers here, with great views of smokestacks, and the stench that comes with them.
If that is viable, why would developers need to relocate to Port Angeles? There are plenty of stinky, ugly industrial areas around the world that are far easier to develop!
Jamestown Tribe: It appears that you are being manipulated by others with ulterior motives. Please don't develop conceptual plans for the Rayonier site that give short shrift to restoring salmon and ecological processes. Please sever your ties to Harbor Works.
^^^See Above^^^
Thank you Commissars Schanfald and Turner, for you input! Unlike you, the Jamestown tribe can think for themselves. Talk about manipulation with an ulterior motive!
"Talk about manipulation with an ulterior motive!"
No kidding! After reading the letter from Rayonier, and the "due diligence" studies that HarborWorks used thousands of taxpayers dollars to have done that showed there is NO commercial, industrial or residential development potential in that property, I cannot but wonder what the "ulterior motive" of HarborWorks really is! And the crew in Port Angeles that still supports these goals.
Let's look at this using a different set of circumstances. A State agency wants to buy a fleet of ferries to replace an old fleet. They commission a series of studies by independent consultants who conclude that the ferries the State is considering to buy are shoddy, unsafe, and will likely sink. Do you think that the State agency would be correct in proceeding to buy these ferries, in light of the analysis their commissioned studies revealed?
If public agencies can just ignore the findings of the "due diligence" studies they themselves commission to evaluate the worthy-ness of proposed acquisitions, thus putting public funds at known risk, then why waste the money doing the studies in the first place?
We could start a list of all the commercial/industrial/residential properties that have been sitting vacant for months and years now, in the Port Angeles Area.
Yeah, Schandfald and Turner are REALLY off base with their concerns on this on. Clearly no way public funds are being risked on these proposals. What a bunch of wackos.
"What a bunch of wackos."
You said it, bub.
"What a bunch of wackos."
You said it, bub.
7:25 PM, August 22, 2010
Yes! Those crackpots at Harbor-Works, the City Council, and CRP really are wackos! Give them information that they are risking public funds, and they just ignore everything.
See if you can run a business that way.
"Those crackpots at ... the City Council ..."
Please! The Dear Leader, Max "Mania", is not a crackpot. he's enlightened, an independent thinker, a capering capon who is permanently unemployed.
Elections aren't too far off. I'd love to see y'all do a Betsy Wharton on Cheri Kidd and Dan Di Guilio!
" Please! The Dear Leader, Max "Mania", is not a crackpot. he's enlightened, an independent thinker, a capering capon who is permanently unemployed.Elections aren't too far off."
Yes, with the members of the Port of Port Angeles, as well as the city council up. You curiously fail to mention Don Perry, Brooke Nelson and the others that ALL voted to waste taxpayers money on that Rayonier property boondoogle. Millions of public funds while governments throughout North America are struggling with their budgets, and cutting services.
Oh, that's right. We are all ONLY to be concerned about Max Mania. The rest of the local politicians get a free pass on anything they want to do. Max Mania is the only thing we should think about.
Okay. I can do that.
Dear Leader, Please tell us what to look at. Tell us how Max is in control of all the other city council members. Please tell us how Max, and only Max dictates everything that happens in and around Port Angeles. Tell us all how Max, and only Max makes the sun rise, and the clouds part.
Sigh.
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